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Re: Did Malaysian Airlines 370 disappear using SIA68/SQ68 (another 777)?

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Post by KaiserPro » Mon, Mar 17, 2014, 8:39 AM UTC

nashequilibrium wrote: post #16

downandout wrote: post #13

There is a realistic possibility that those piloting the plane used this and/or other stealth techniques and landed intact. There are lots of groups around the world that would love to have a working $250M aircraft. Maybe there is a massive airplane chop shop that this went to, or someone wants to load it up with explosives and fly it to some country they disagree with. Unfortunately, whether it landed or not, the od…

It doesn't make any sense to kill 240 people, including babies and kids. Especially if this is a terrorist act, they could not religiously justify that, especially since these are mainly Chinese people rather than American.

First, before you make statements like that, you need to understand the motivation of the people doing this.

And since we have no idea who did what, where, why and how, its far to early to judge if it made any sense or not.

That is not to say that I condone senseless violence. However to prevent further incidents you must understand the motivations of the perpetrators and understand from their world view. Just saying they are evil isn't going to help you understand why they did it.

After all if you don't understand how desperate they are, you don't know to what level they will stoop.

Re: Did Malaysian Airlines 370 disappear using SIA68/SQ68 (another 777)?

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Post by karterk » Mon, Mar 17, 2014, 8:40 AM UTC

Good analysis, but I'm skeptical that this is not already accounted for in the military radars. Given that so many flights fly everyday in almost every route, it becomes really easy for any country to sneak an aircraft anywhere. Such a glaring loop hole should not exist. And we are talking about crossing the borders monitored by multiple countries here.

Re: Did Malaysian Airlines 370 disappear using SIA68/SQ68 (another 777)?

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Post by jpalomaki » Mon, Mar 17, 2014, 8:40 AM UTC

akumen wrote: post #4

Good theory. Yours is as good as anyone's at this point in time. Incredible, how we think that our tech is so advanced yet a commercial jet can go completely missing. MH370 makes for an incredible setup to 'Lost'.

I guess it is also a little bit uncertain if the plane is actually totally missing or if those who know just don't want to share their information with public.

Re: Did Malaysian Airlines 370 disappear using SIA68/SQ68 (another 777)?

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Post by cyphunk » Mon, Mar 17, 2014, 8:41 AM UTC

nashequilibrium wrote: post #16

downandout wrote: post #13

There is a realistic possibility that those piloting the plane used this and/or other stealth techniques and landed intact. There are lots of groups around the world that would love to have a working $250M aircraft. Maybe there is a massive airplane chop shop that this went to, or someone wants to load it up with explosives and fly it to some country they disagree with. Unfortunately, whether it landed or not, the od…

It doesn't make any sense to kill 240 people, including babies and kids. Especially if this is a terrorist act, they could not religiously justify that, especially since these are mainly Chinese people rather than American.

did you just use killing of innocent children as a justification against the possibility of this being a terrorist act? Of all the arguments against potential terrorist foundations, and there are many, the action off killing of innocent women and children appears to be the exact thesis for such an action. check, history.

Re: Did Malaysian Airlines 370 disappear using SIA68/SQ68 (another 777)?

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Post by ohadron » Mon, Mar 17, 2014, 8:41 AM UTC

houseofshards wrote: post #19

An aviation noob here. I have a question: If the flight starts another journey from wherever it is, will it be possible to track it via radar ?

Only if that area is under radar coverage.

Re: Did Malaysian Airlines 370 disappear using SIA68/SQ68 (another 777)?

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Post by ohadron » Mon, Mar 17, 2014, 8:44 AM UTC

rrtwo wrote: post #9

Waiting for a crossover of this route with this http://project.wnyc.org/runways/

This assumes 5000ft of stopping distance and a high density runway, which is far more than really needed. Especially considering that the operators of this flight are willing to take more risks than usual commercial flights.

There are probably thousands of additional landing strips, even more if the hijackers don't require keeping the plane in perfect flying condition.

Re: Did Malaysian Airlines 370 disappear using SIA68/SQ68 (another 777)?

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Post by caf » Mon, Mar 17, 2014, 8:45 AM UTC

ckozlowski wrote: post #22

downandout wrote: post #13

There is a realistic possibility that those piloting the plane used this and/or other stealth techniques and landed intact. There are lots of groups around the world that would love to have a working $250M aircraft. Maybe there is a massive airplane chop shop that this went to, or someone wants to load it up with explosives and fly it to some country they disagree with. Unfortunately, whether it landed or not, the od…

The fact that the plane was taken up to 45,000, far above it's recommended limit, bothers me in this regard. What would the effects be on the passengers? Would this have been orchestrated in order to somehow incapacitate them? I have no idea if the cockpit is pressurized separately from the rest of the plane, or if there's any way to tamper with the deployment of the plane's oxygen masks. It's all speculation on my p…

The pressurisation is not independent, but the emergency O2 is - the cockpit is supplied from tanks and the cabin from chemical generators.

The cabin generators can be disabled by tripping a circuit breaker (and they only last about 12 minutes anyway).

Re: Did Malaysian Airlines 370 disappear using SIA68/SQ68 (another 777)?

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Post by k-mcgrady » Mon, Mar 17, 2014, 8:47 AM UTC

nashequilibrium wrote: post #16

downandout wrote: post #13

There is a realistic possibility that those piloting the plane used this and/or other stealth techniques and landed intact. There are lots of groups around the world that would love to have a working $250M aircraft. Maybe there is a massive airplane chop shop that this went to, or someone wants to load it up with explosives and fly it to some country they disagree with. Unfortunately, whether it landed or not, the od…

It doesn't make any sense to kill 240 people, including babies and kids. Especially if this is a terrorist act, they could not religiously justify that, especially since these are mainly Chinese people rather than American.

1. Not all terrorists are religious

2. Not all terrorists are after Americans

3. Religious terrorists can find a way to justify anything using their book of choice.

Re: Did Malaysian Airlines 370 disappear using SIA68/SQ68 (another 777)?

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Post by wazoox » Mon, Mar 17, 2014, 8:48 AM UTC

ckozlowski wrote: post #22

downandout wrote: post #13

There is a realistic possibility that those piloting the plane used this and/or other stealth techniques and landed intact. There are lots of groups around the world that would love to have a working $250M aircraft. Maybe there is a massive airplane chop shop that this went to, or someone wants to load it up with explosives and fly it to some country they disagree with. Unfortunately, whether it landed or not, the od…

The fact that the plane was taken up to 45,000, far above it's recommended limit, bothers me in this regard. What would the effects be on the passengers? Would this have been orchestrated in order to somehow incapacitate them? I have no idea if the cockpit is pressurized separately from the rest of the plane, or if there's any way to tamper with the deployment of the plane's oxygen masks. It's all speculation on my p…

The cockpit isn't pressurised separately. It's possible to alter oxygen masks deployment, I know for sure it must be done landing at some altitude airports like Quito which are higher up than normal cabin altitude.

De pressurizing the plane would be extremely dangerous anyway, even with your oxygen mask on. Among other things the cabin temperature would drop to -50°C or so, the low pressure could induce fatal embolism, loss of consciousness, etc.

Re: Did Malaysian Airlines 370 disappear using SIA68/SQ68 (another 777)?

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Post by confluence » Mon, Mar 17, 2014, 8:48 AM UTC

> There are too many oddities in this whole story that don’t make sense if this theory isn’t the answer in my opinion.

Confirmation bias?

Slow burn fire randomly taking out communications systems and electronics undetected over a long period of time. Pilots freak out and head West for the coast, program way points on autopilot. Fire then cracks the hull, leading to a slow depressurization, incapacitating crew. Plane heads into the Indian ocean with all onboard unconscious or dead, until it runs out of fuel, and crashes into the ocean.