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Re: Announcing Stack Overflow in Portuguese

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Post by michaelmcmillan »

rcruzeiro wrote: post #30
michaelmcmillan wrote: post #28

The majority of SQL injection vulnerabilities found by searching for unsanitized input at GitHub is by Portugese or Spanish users, especially in PHP. I am not trying to generalize, but it seems to me that a StackOverflow in Portugese perhaps is not such a bad idea.

Any source for this statement? I ask this because Portugal has a population of 10.5 million people while Brazil has 201 million people and both have Portuguese as the official language.

I am sorry, I was unclear: The code seems to be often commented in Portugese or Spanish, I do not know which specific country they are from.

My statement may seem false if you only inspect the first pages. Though I seem to remember that the majority of the exploitable repositories were in fact Portugese or Spanish.

Source: https://github.com/search?q=mysql+%24_GET&type=Code&ref=sear...

Re: Announcing Stack Overflow in Portuguese

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Post by swah »

psychart wrote: post #20
swah wrote: post #4

This is interesting, although most of my colleagues won't google problems in Portuguese.

As stated on the announcement: Grande parte deles se sentisse muito mais confortável em falar sua própria língua do que o inglês Most of them feel more comfortable speaking own language than english Although english is a must be for a developer, there's a lot of people who can't even read.

I know, I know... Some people will obviously have a lot of points in StackoverflowPT by translating english answers.

Re: Announcing Stack Overflow in Portuguese

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Post by marcosdumay »

rglullis wrote: post #21
donquichotte wrote: post #5

I wonder why they chose Portugese. Unfortunately, I can't read the blog post. The map seems to indicate that the number of speakers is important, but that can't be it, there's many more Mandarin/Hindi/Arabic speakers. Does anybody have information on this?

It's a mix of market demand and potential. China has all the clones, so Mandarin-speaking people already have their Q/A equivalent. India (mostly) speaks english at a level that allows them to participate in the "original" Stackoverflow. Arabic? As much as there is a big population, I would venture that there is not enough demand. Brazil, OTOH, is a reasonably industrialized country with some industries that are quit…

Is Arabic even a single language? (I really don't know.)

But I don't think it's in the SO best interest to contain any group. They already have a moderation system for dealing with anoying people. I'd put that cinic at rest.

What this will achieve is making learning to program much easier for portugueese speaking people. A much needed thing. But I doubt that anybody will stop searching problems in english, just the sheer number and selection bias are enough to keep the best content in english.

Anyway, great icon. Stack Overflow with cedilha!

Re: Announcing Stack Overflow in Portuguese

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Post by SaulOfTheJungle »

michaelmcmillan wrote: post #28

The majority of SQL injection vulnerabilities found by searching for unsanitized input at GitHub is by Portugese or Spanish users, especially in PHP. I am not trying to generalize, but it seems to me that a StackOverflow in Portugese perhaps is not such a bad idea.

How does one search for unsanitized input on GitHub?

Re: Announcing Stack Overflow in Portuguese

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Post by mchaver »

marcosdumay wrote: post #33
rglullis wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a mix of market demand and potential. China has all the clones, so Mandarin-speaking people already have their Q/A equivalent. India (mostly) speaks english at a level that allows them to participate in the "original" Stackoverflow. Arabic? As much as there is a big population, I would venture that there is not enough demand. Brazil, OTOH, is a reasonably industrialized country with some industries that are quit…

Is Arabic even a single language? (I really don't know.) But I don't think it's in the SO best interest to contain any group. They already have a moderation system for dealing with anoying people. I'd put that cinic at rest. What this will achieve is making learning to program much easier for portugueese speaking people. A much needed thing. But I doubt that anybody will stop searching problems in english, just the s…

Written Arabic can be considered one language. Spoken varieties are not mutually intelligible and do not generally have standardized written forms, though many Arabic speakers can understand Egyptian Arabic do to popularity of their media.

Re: Announcing Stack Overflow in Portuguese

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Post by ufo »

robteix wrote: post #13

I can't imagine ever searching for a solution to a problem in Portuguese. I never google in Portuguese, ever. Content quality is just abismal.

You know very well that a lot of people in Brazil have really bad english and even though they might be able to read some english pages they are going to have a hard time asking SO questions.

Re: Announcing Stack Overflow in Portuguese

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Post by bnegreve »

venomsnake wrote: post #26

That could backfire badly (disclaimer - English is my second language, so I suppose I don't have some superiority complex). Fragmenting knowledge doesn't give much benefit. English is the standard language for the IT for better or worse. Right now a small investment of learning technical English (you need probably 1000 words and rudimentary grammar to be able to search and even contribute) could pay off a lot. If we…

> Fragmenting knowledge doesn't give much benefit.

What about Wikipedia? I think they are benefiting from being multi-language.

> English is the standard language for the IT for better or worse.

All programmers are certainly not fluent in english. Reading code/documentation is one thing, having a discussion / asking a question is different.

Most non native english speakers probably don't feel confident enough to ask questions on english speaking forums like SO.

Re: Announcing Stack Overflow in Portuguese

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Post by jaydles »

venomsnake wrote: post #26

That could backfire badly (disclaimer - English is my second language, so I suppose I don't have some superiority complex). Fragmenting knowledge doesn't give much benefit. English is the standard language for the IT for better or worse. Right now a small investment of learning technical English (you need probably 1000 words and rudimentary grammar to be able to search and even contribute) could pay off a lot. If we…

Fragmenting has always been a concern, but eventually, we realized that there are LOTS of good developers who are much less likely to participate (type) on a site in a language other than their primary one.

(Japan is a great example of a place where there are very few devs who even want to consume programming information in English, let alone exchange it that way.)

As a native English speaker, I imagine myself at a professional meetup or cocktail party where everyone else is speaking French (which I studied in college). How many jokes would I tell? How many would I even understand?. The point is, I can function, and understand all the words, but I can't really feel like a fully-integrated part of the group, and the whole thing is hard work. Can I get mission critical information? Yeah. Do I want to hang out there and try to help others? No - even though I may have mastered the topic, the language gap makes me feel less excited and less qualified than I would in an all-english group.

Re: Announcing Stack Overflow in Portuguese

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Post by phowat »

If you're a programmer and you're not comfortable with english, you better become. Fast. There's just no way around it and I think it's a good thing, it means less fragmentation of knowledge. Remember when Nginx documentation was almost entirely in russian? Yeah, it sucked.

ps: English is not my first language

Re: Announcing Stack Overflow in Portuguese

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Post by speeder »

rabc wrote: post #8
swah wrote: post #4

This is interesting, although most of my colleagues won't google problems in Portuguese.

Brazilian developers don't google in portuguese because they know it'll always be faster to search in english, but I have seen a lot of developers struggling to find the answer in english because they can't understand and don't know how to search.

This...

My dad is one of the best programmers I ever saw, and he tried VERY, VERY, VERY hard for 30 years already, and don't understand english at all.

What he do is search in english (or try to), and then use google translate to read the results.

Also I once worked in a company with 40 programmers, only 4 could read and write in english well enough to use StackOverflow, the others knew only the programming language keywords (in the sense of what they did even, not what they meant in english), and sometimes barely enough to use english google + google translate.

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