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What Causes Hunger?

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Re: What Causes Hunger?

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Post by DanBC »

crusso wrote: post #29
011011100 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"See already you're off base. Someone's individual expectation is not at all necessarily a "reasonable expectation". There are lots of gamblers in Vegas who expect to win big tonight... doesn't mean their expectations are reasonable." How should people make decisions if they can't trust their own judgment? You're going to one extreme and saying "lots of people are unreasonable". Ok, great. Lots of people are also ver…

That's just a fancy way of starting off the conversation by saying "you're wrong" Not pointing out when someone is demonstrably wrong in a discussion is as useless and futile as pretending to want to solve poverty and hunger but not addressing the core issue. Discussing topics like this on the Internet is already fairly useless. No sense in making it worse with a bunch of disingenuous and logically incorrect validati…

> demonstrably wrong

Your inability to demonstrate it has been noted.

Re: What Causes Hunger?

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Post by crusso »

DanBC wrote: post #31
crusso wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's just a fancy way of starting off the conversation by saying "you're wrong" Not pointing out when someone is demonstrably wrong in a discussion is as useless and futile as pretending to want to solve poverty and hunger but not addressing the core issue. Discussing topics like this on the Internet is already fairly useless. No sense in making it worse with a bunch of disingenuous and logically incorrect validati…

> demonstrably wrong Your inability to demonstrate it has been noted.

Your insistence that this is even a discussion about statistics and proof or based on an article that isn't almost purely an opinion piece without statistics or proof is noted.

Re: What Causes Hunger?

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Post by memracom »

This article spends a lot of time blaming things that cannot be changed. There is only one thing that causes hunger; not enough food. It doesn't matter if America has so much food that millions suffer from obesity. Somewhere else, where it costs too much to send food from America, there are people with not enough food, therefore they are hungry.

And as we should all know, organisms under stress, breed. Therefore, anywhere that people are hungry, the population will grow faster than places where there is too much food. No matter how much food you give to these poor people, they will grow their population to once again blow the limit of the capacity of their corner of the world to supple them with enough food.

Whose fault is that? Part of the blaim lies with enlightened rich countries who sent so much health care to these deprived areas that their death rate could no longer maintain any kind of equilibrium. And some of the fault is with rich countries who sent luxuries that these poor people could not afford. And some of the fault is elsewhere and neither you nor I will be able to figure it out.

Best thing to do is to simply ignore this stuff. You cannot help and history shows that you are likely to just make things worse. If you really want to help then focus on yourself, your life and your community. Build a sustainable local lifestyle for yourself and show the poor deprived starving people that it can be done.

Re: What Causes Hunger?

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Post by DanBC »

crusso wrote: post #32
DanBC wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> demonstrably wrong Your inability to demonstrate it has been noted.

Your insistence that this is even a discussion about statistics and proof or based on an article that isn't almost purely an opinion piece without statistics or proof is noted.

Hey, I'm giving you the opportunity to change my mind. I'm listening to you, and asking you to provide information that will change my mind.

You haven't done so.

That leads me to think that your first comment was a knee-jerk opinion with nothing to support it, and that you're continuing to defend that position because you "feel" it's correct, even though it could well be wrong.

Your weird insistence that it's right, even though you're unable to provide any evidence to support it, is odd.

I freely accept that the article I submitted is opinion - but it's informed opinion from people who work in this field. The article has links to other organisations who've published research on hunger, and the website for WFP contains a lot of their published research.

So, I'm faced with a multi-national multi-government agency with a lot of published research and many years of expertise saying one thing. And I have some random Internet commenter saying something else, and getting defensive when asked to supply any kind of citation for their claims.

At the moment I'm dismissing what you say.

But, like I said, I'm open to persuasion.

Re: What Causes Hunger?

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Post by crusso »

DanBC wrote: post #34
crusso wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your insistence that this is even a discussion about statistics and proof or based on an article that isn't almost purely an opinion piece without statistics or proof is noted.

Hey, I'm giving you the opportunity to change my mind. I'm listening to you, and asking you to provide information that will change my mind. You haven't done so. That leads me to think that your first comment was a knee-jerk opinion with nothing to support it, and that you're continuing to defend that position because you "feel" it's correct, even though it could well be wrong. Your weird insistence that it's right,…

So, I'm faced with a multi-national multi-government agency with a lot of published research

Riiiiight... like that means anything. Should it mean something that healthcare.gov is backed by the biggest government in the world yet is a piece of crap that many developers on HN could have done better on in their spare time over the last few years?

Should it mean something that these multi-national multi-government agencies have been talking about and spending huge amounts of money on "hunger" for many many decades and haven't made any progress? At what point does their extraordinary lack of success dissuade you from being such a big fan? My guess is never.

At the moment I'm dismissing what you say. But, like I said, I'm open to persuasion.

I'm sure you tell yourself that, but your credulity of a report because it's "multi-government" tells me that you're a believer in the mechanisms of the State regardless of common sense, their abject failures, and information contrary to that ideology.

If you were open to persuasion you'd be tremendously critical of the weak article this thread is based upon - regardless of whether or not you buy into my point of view.

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