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The Logic of “Stupid” Poor People

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Re: The Logic of “Stupid” Poor People

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This article is unconvincing at best. She claims that you can only look presentable on a tight budget, which is patently false. You can look classy with affordable items: it only takes a tiny bit of basic fashion knowledge and a little more money than for the K-Mart option.

I've seen plenty of people who bought brand items but used them in a vulgar or trashy way: the result was that you could immediately identify them as poor, defeating the whole purpose of the "investment".

Some researchers have outlined that poverty is debilitating and impairs decision making, but there clearly are some poor people who contribute to their own fate. Advertising is partly to blame, but most of the responsibility rests with them not to buy ludicrous products in the hope of some inchoate recognition from others. Simply accusing the "white male privileged life of the mind" doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

Re: The Logic of “Stupid” Poor People

#32

I read the whole article and do not agree. Here in Silicon Valley the importance of appearances has become marginal. Yes, you have to be clean, presentable, but that's it. After that you need the skills, talent, knowledge and aptitude to perform your job. And you need that everyday, to keep your job, in this hyper-competitive environment. I was a poor starving immigrant student at one point. I did fine without even m…

Silicon Valley is still somewhat an exception to the rule about appearances. In what other area do the rich people dress exactly like the poorest? Remember the hubbub when Zuckerberg wore a hoodie to a meeting regarding the Facebook IPO. That might be laughed off in Silicon Valley but I know many people in other parts of the country that would view it as insulting for someone to show up to a business meeting wearing something like that.

Re: The Logic of “Stupid” Poor People

#33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires." -- John Steinbeck

And for at least 1.7 million people last year, they were? http://www.cnbc.com/id/101099732

And of course if you look at the economic performance of the US under R administrations, vs D administrations, the Rs win by a hundred miles.

/s

Re: The Logic of “Stupid” Poor People

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post #20

While I agree with the sentiment, I don't think her arguments are very strong. I personally think people make bad decisions to buy things or do things not on the premise of it being an "investment", but because most of us are very weak. We do the things we do because we are victims to advertising and peer pressure. You think they spend billions on advertising for nothing? If you read this and you are thinking, "No I…

> then you should realize averages exist because half of the people are below it. Only true of median.

I think that the colloquial use of the term "average" actually means the median. That's how I have seen it used, anyway.

Re: The Logic of “Stupid” Poor People

#35

Firstly, you are dismissisive to the point of bigotry if you ever refer to someone as stupid, I don't care if they are rich or poor. And while I'm all for personal responsibility and accountability...how many classes in public schools teach things like money and lifestyle management? Home Ec? Pretty sure all I learned there was how to cook and omlette. This country refuses to blame the parents yet we do nothing to as…

Exactly this. We don't teach what we want people to know as adults, unless you realize many politicians would rather have ignorant populous they can lie to with impunity. We should teach basic economics from early years until they graduate and can't be fooled any more.

I don't mean to be a pedantic jerk, and I'm only mentioning it because I would want to be corrected similarly: I think the word you meant to use was 'populace', not 'populous'.

Re: The Logic of “Stupid” Poor People

#36

An equally good question is why to poor people vote republican? Because they want to belong. And through financial osmosis people who vote republican become rich, right? That is the thinking anyway.

...why to [sic] poor people vote republican? Why does anyone vote republican, or democrat? Because those are the two choices on the ballot.

You need to keep reading the ballot! There are usually at least one "alternative" candidate who doesn't represent the Democrats or Republicans.

I didn't even agree with the Libertarian candidate on many things but I voted for them to satisfy my right and responsibility to vote while not endorsing the Single Party we have here in the US.

Re: The Logic of “Stupid” Poor People

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post #20

While I agree with the sentiment, I don't think her arguments are very strong. I personally think people make bad decisions to buy things or do things not on the premise of it being an "investment", but because most of us are very weak. We do the things we do because we are victims to advertising and peer pressure. You think they spend billions on advertising for nothing? If you read this and you are thinking, "No I…

> then you should realize averages exist because half of the people are below it. Only true of median.

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Re: The Logic of “Stupid” Poor People

#38
post #20

While I agree with the sentiment, I don't think her arguments are very strong. I personally think people make bad decisions to buy things or do things not on the premise of it being an "investment", but because most of us are very weak. We do the things we do because we are victims to advertising and peer pressure. You think they spend billions on advertising for nothing? If you read this and you are thinking, "No I…

> then you should realize averages exist because half of the people are below it. Only true of median.

Gosh dang it. I knew one day I would make this mistake and be embarrassed by it... Oh well, I guess I'll just own it. I already know I am below average.. haha...

Re: The Logic of “Stupid” Poor People

#39
post #32

I read the whole article and do not agree. Here in Silicon Valley the importance of appearances has become marginal. Yes, you have to be clean, presentable, but that's it. After that you need the skills, talent, knowledge and aptitude to perform your job. And you need that everyday, to keep your job, in this hyper-competitive environment. I was a poor starving immigrant student at one point. I did fine without even m…

Silicon Valley is still somewhat an exception to the rule about appearances. In what other area do the rich people dress exactly like the poorest? Remember the hubbub when Zuckerberg wore a hoodie to a meeting regarding the Facebook IPO. That might be laughed off in Silicon Valley but I know many people in other parts of the country that would view it as insulting for someone to show up to a business meeting wearing…

What's insulting here is that Zuck is trying to keep the "hoodie-guy" image despite his unimaginable wealth. You can't have the cake and eat it.

Re: The Logic of “Stupid” Poor People

#40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, where did you read that poor people vote republican? I would've guessed otherwise.

"Lower-income and less educated whites also have shifted substantially toward the Republican Party since 2008. The GOP has largely erased the wide lead Democrats had among white voters with family incomes less than $30,000." [0] Although the graphs on [1] tell a slightly different story. [0] - http://www.people-press.org/2012/08/23/a-closer-look-at-the-... [1] - http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2012/09/26/161841771/how…

White people only make up 72% of the population. You can't dismiss the other 28%.
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