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Woobius introduces the construction industry to 21st century collaboration

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Re: Woobius introduces the construction industry to 21st century collaboration

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It would be a cold day in hell before I decided to engage the services of a company called "Woobius". Seriously, am I the only person on earth who thinks all these new startup names are just utterly stupid ? What are these people thinking? "Woobius"!

No, but you might be one of the few limiting their options and opportunities simply based on names ;-)

Re: Woobius introduces the construction industry to 21st century collaboration

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if modding down my (polite, reasonable) comments Your initial comment said it would be a "cold day in hell" before you used Woobius and that the name was "utterly stupid." That's an interesting interpretation of polite and reasonable.

I don't see what's impolite or unreasonable about that. I really do think the name is stupid, and I really would be prejudiced against a company with a name like that. I suppose I could have said the name is "suboptimal" or something but why beat about the bush?

You could try couching it in some politeness: "The idea looks good, but my honest opinion is that the name sounds awful". Also, keep in mind the "what would you say in person" guideline. I guess some people would be that blunt in person, but for most people, it puts things in enough perspective to produce something polite.

Re: Woobius introduces the construction industry to 21st century collaboration

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First of all, congrats on your TC coverage. I'm interested in your approach for the pricing of the service. I have to agree with joel_feather that 12$/gb/month seems a little too low for a niche market. Do you have any estimates about the average storage needed by your targeted users?

Thanks for your comment.

I won't go into all the detail of the lengthy, lengthy conversations we had about pricing over the course of a year before finally implementing it, but you're right that the price is low. However, that's intentional.

There are already products serving really big projects (the ones with costs in the hundreds of millions), but those tools are all far too expensive (and complex, slow, cumbersome, etc) to be used by smaller projects. We chose to make Woobius affordable to smaller projects too.

With respect to average size of projects, many of the tinier projects (e.g. a small house) will probably just about get away with the free version (but if they need a bit more storage, £10/m - or equivalent in other currencies - won't break the bank). Small-ish commercial developments will probably use around 1-3 gigabytes. Very large or very active projects are probably looking at 5-10 gigabytes.

Re: Woobius introduces the construction industry to 21st century collaboration

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Niche market? The construction related part of the economy is huge! I think their pricing is just right. By charging more for additional storage space, they have an ideal "try before you buy" situation. Mobile clients might be very useful. Missed collaboration in construction often results in stuff that cost money to put there and more money to correct. The ability for those in the field to get clarification quickly…

We are looking at the mobile market, but rather than simply adding another interface to access Woobius we are looking at how we can really make mobile technology work for us and our customers. With the inclusion of technology such as GPS receivers, compasses and high speed internet now as standard, we can do much more than mobile voice communication.

Exactly. If a foreman can pass a request for clarification up quickly, this can save a lot of money. If you can use GPS to determine the context/location quickly -- that could be very sexy!

Were any of you guys trying to do this in Cincinnati, OH 10 years ago?

Also, I think you already have the idea, but don't forget that you can also make money selling disk space. Those who need a lot more of it may well be willing to pay for that at premium rates!

Re: Woobius introduces the construction industry to 21st century collaboration

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Mobile is a waste of time. Mobile apps are too cheap, people can just call each other. And the construction industry is a niche, because we're talking about the intersect of construction and web apps here. The web designer industry is a niche in the overall economy, but it's one of the largest in the web based economiy. The reverse is true for the construction industry. I have experience in selling B2B. Their pricing…

By the same token you could argue that burning CDs and printing out reams of paper to send via couriers is adequate, and that a system of distribution via the internet is a waste of time. Mobile applications aren't necessarily a replacement for voice communication, but rather an enhancement to. For example, what better way to communicate information that pertains to a particular geographical location than providing a…

Without a doubt, mobile applications make sense. But the amount of time you would put into this at this fledgling stage of the business would be a big mistake - one should first focus on the web based part of things, iterate till it matches the needs perfectly, then make a simple mobile app and expand from there.

Trying to make some large mobile app would bog down the business, and it will not pay.

Re: Woobius introduces the construction industry to 21st century collaboration

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By the same token you could argue that burning CDs and printing out reams of paper to send via couriers is adequate, and that a system of distribution via the internet is a waste of time. Mobile applications aren't necessarily a replacement for voice communication, but rather an enhancement to. For example, what better way to communicate information that pertains to a particular geographical location than providing a…

Without a doubt, mobile applications make sense. But the amount of time you would put into this at this fledgling stage of the business would be a big mistake - one should first focus on the web based part of things, iterate till it matches the needs perfectly, then make a simple mobile app and expand from there. Trying to make some large mobile app would bog down the business, and it will not pay.

Sure, but that doesn't stop us from dreaming about it until we have the resources to do it!

Re: Woobius introduces the construction industry to 21st century collaboration

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By the same token you could argue that burning CDs and printing out reams of paper to send via couriers is adequate, and that a system of distribution via the internet is a waste of time. Mobile applications aren't necessarily a replacement for voice communication, but rather an enhancement to. For example, what better way to communicate information that pertains to a particular geographical location than providing a…

Without a doubt, mobile applications make sense. But the amount of time you would put into this at this fledgling stage of the business would be a big mistake - one should first focus on the web based part of things, iterate till it matches the needs perfectly, then make a simple mobile app and expand from there. Trying to make some large mobile app would bog down the business, and it will not pay.

The misconception there is that a mobile app need be large, or indeed that we are (or intend to) plough effort into one while we still have more important things to do.

But that doesn't stop us planning, theorizing and experimenting. How else is innovation manifested? :-)

Re: Woobius introduces the construction industry to 21st century collaboration

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I have a comment. I have been urging my confreres to use basecamp and actively looking for other collaborative tools. To little or no avail. Old-school is real. I can say that much. But the questions old-school types ask is usually based not on price or speed, but on CYA and security. For CYA, once you upload something then everyone has it and they can criticize it. If there is a mistake somewhere it is visible to everyone forever. For security, the issue is that fear:"what if this gets into the wrong hands?" "What if it gets into the "right" hands, but at the wrong time?" Consider jobs for clients like government: "What if the media gets hold of this?" Also, don't underestimate the tendency of people like me to look at all that work in its native file formats like word and AutoCAD and say: "hell if I will put this out there!" Reading this I know it sounds un-progressive. Fearful, even paranoid. I am being honest. This stuff is people's life's work, their reputation, their self-esteem...and so on and so on. So these are the things people think when collaborative web-based tools come up. The reason I put this here is just to point out that your PR task would seem to me to be reassuring the bosses that it is "safe." Look at legislation and IP precedent. Tell us exactly what protects us. Nice job, Woobiusers. Especially on the pricing. Good luck.

Re: Woobius introduces the construction industry to 21st century collaboration

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I think the title (and article) is a little over the top. The audit trail is a nice feature but the rest is just sharing files? The real problems are in annotating these drawings collaboratively, merging separate parts and layers of buildings and in general managing the actual flow of information in a design process instead of merely the drawings. Solutions with versioning IFC files, IFD libraries and solving the pro…

Hi, I'm the founder of Woobius. Firstly, thanks for your kind words on the user interface. We are fortunate to have Cliff Rowley who been a key driving force behind it. With respect to the body of your comment. The reason Woobius is useful to architects and engineers is that it fits into their existing workflow - e.g. they produce a 2D drawing that forms part of their legal documentation. While this process is (for a…

Hi, thanks for your response. I think I just expressed my hopes so I understand it's just a start. I am currently researching annotating / versioning 3d building models however I feel greatly restricted by all the format wars in 3d / CAD land (collada, csg vs brep, autodesk land, ifc (2x3/2x4) and on and on. Does anyone have thoughts on this subject?

Re: Woobius introduces the construction industry to 21st century collaboration

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I've worked in the residential construction space several decades as a surveyor, draftsman and software developer. I tried with some friends to approach the whole workflow from customer contracts through plans, estimates and purchasing to finish product. It ended up being too large of a scope for a few people part time on it. I think picking a small piece of that workflow and improving it is a smart choice.
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