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Re: Leaving Proton Mail

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Post by protocolture »

Grombobulous wrote: post #27
protocolture wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>because I'm Australian and so is Fastmail. That seems like the worst reason to use a product. If I had the funds for a non free mail host, I would choose one thats not going to be easy to target with a TCN or TAN.

Mail just isn’t something that’s built in a way that it can be a private service. I think most people should choose a provider based on price and features. Yes, it’s nice that if everyone you know uses proton then you can send end to end encrypted emails with zero friction. But I consider that more of a side feature rather than a reason to buy it. Purely Mail is a nice provider in that regard. $10 a year! I do like F…

>Mail just isn’t something that’s built in a way that it can be a private service.

No but theres a lot of daylight between "There might be intermediaries" and "The australian government can verbally request secret adjustments to this companies software"

Re: Leaving Proton Mail

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Post by Grombobulous »

protocolture wrote: post #31
Grombobulous wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mail just isn’t something that’s built in a way that it can be a private service. I think most people should choose a provider based on price and features. Yes, it’s nice that if everyone you know uses proton then you can send end to end encrypted emails with zero friction. But I consider that more of a side feature rather than a reason to buy it. Purely Mail is a nice provider in that regard. $10 a year! I do like F…

>Mail just isn’t something that’s built in a way that it can be a private service. No but theres a lot of daylight between "There might be intermediaries" and "The australian government can verbally request secret adjustments to this companies software"

I fail to see how that matters to the end consumer specifically in the context of an email product. It’s still ultimately a service dealing with plain text data that’s moving between providers in ways you can’t control very well to begin with.

100% of your email is read by someone else. You don’t send private information over email or store it in an email server.

Sure, I wouldn’t personally be buying an end to end encrypted drive service from an Australian company.

Re: Leaving Proton Mail

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Post by windexh8er »

Gangway0829 wrote: post #18
Citizen_Lame wrote: post #17

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Is this satire, it's hard to tell these days on the Interweb? Or are you simply thick as a brick? Very confusing.

Can you elaborate on why you think the OP is incorrect? The hit piece on the Ypstilanti data center is quite an embarrassment for any honest news reporter.

Because it's not that cut and dry. There are complicated politics involved and it's obvious the comment is putting their own spin on it.

Re: Leaving Proton Mail

#34

Post by sosodev »

Grombobulous wrote: post #26
sosodev wrote: post #15

Maybe Proton’s copy needs some work, but another page on their website very clearly explains that emails aren’t encrypted when an email leave the ecosystem. Because, as the author points out, they can’t be. Also, I hate Trump too, but a broken clock is right twice a day. It’s possible to agree with some of the things he says while not being a “Trump man”. Why should we be surprised that the company founded on anti bi…

Disagreeing politically is a perfectly valid reason to avoid a product, though the author will have a very hard time finding alternatives with CEOs that aren’t right-leaning. Not a lot of CEOs are on the side of labor. Sometimes you really have to pick the best available option after weighing all the factors. Sure, the CEO of Toyota wore a Trump hat to gain favor. That’s a heck of a lot different than the laundry lis…

Oh, I totally agree that it’s a valid reason. I just don’t find the authors gripe very meaningful. I say that as somebody who switched to Proton for political reasons too haha.

Re: Leaving Proton Mail

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Post by dongcarl »

tamimio wrote: post #22

Here’s some shocking facts: emails aren’t anonymous as a protocol, neither private too, stop trying to find an email like that. VPN as the commercial service isn’t anonymous either, there’s always a “trust us” factor, and in this ever changing world, your policy should be always zero trust. Neither proton, nor mullvad, nor signal, none of these popular platforms provide the anonymity and even the privacy you are expe…

Re: protocols with trust-minimization in mind, you may be interested in Multi-Party Relays (vs. traditional VPNs which are Single-Party Relays): https://www.privacyguides.org/articles/2024/11/17/where-are-...

With Multi-Party Relays you no longer have a trust a single entity not being malicious or compromised.

Disclaimer: I run obscura.com, which does exactly this with Mullvad (our partner) as the Exit Hop.

Re: Leaving Proton Mail

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Post by Grombobulous »

sosodev wrote: post #34
Grombobulous wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disagreeing politically is a perfectly valid reason to avoid a product, though the author will have a very hard time finding alternatives with CEOs that aren’t right-leaning. Not a lot of CEOs are on the side of labor. Sometimes you really have to pick the best available option after weighing all the factors. Sure, the CEO of Toyota wore a Trump hat to gain favor. That’s a heck of a lot different than the laundry lis…

Oh, I totally agree that it’s a valid reason. I just don’t find the authors gripe very meaningful. I say that as somebody who switched to Proton for political reasons too haha.

As soon as Proton gains a Linux client for Drive I might be moving over. Bonus points if they get a photos app that’s more like Ente.

Right now I’m stuck with Filen as the “least bad option.”

Re: Leaving Proton Mail

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Post by Gangway0829 »

windexh8er wrote: post #33
Gangway0829 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you elaborate on why you think the OP is incorrect? The hit piece on the Ypstilanti data center is quite an embarrassment for any honest news reporter.

Because it's not that cut and dry. There are complicated politics involved and it's obvious the comment is putting their own spin on it.

There's complex politics around hyperscaler data centers, and I'm sympathetic to the complaints against (though in full disclosure I am biased towards building anything, having seen my country held back for years by people opposed to building anything). But the UMich supercomputing center isn't a hyperscaler data center, and it's the height of disingenuous, cynical and dishonest politics to claim that it is. It's an academic research supercomputer. And FYI the protestors have been harassing UMich professors and their families, so sorry. I'm not going to be polite and give them any benefit of doubt. I know the people they're harassing personally and professionally and they're wonderfully kind and intelligent.

If the supercomputing project dies because of this, yellow journalists like 404 media have scientific blood on their hands.

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