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The far right's win in Germany is sending a chill through Europe's establishment

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Re: The far right's win in Germany is sending a chill through Europe's establishment

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Post by adrlkh »

If they win the federal elections, this will be the biggest betrayal of voters ever. Musk will have a chat with Goldman Sachs, Goldman Sachs will have a chat with Weidel, then the following will happen:

- The Ukraine war will continue to be supported for the benefit of Blackrock and to tie up Russia for the middle east plans of the US.

- There will be a lot of noise about immigration. Some 1000 people will be deported for the headlines, but Weidel will obey the industry that uses immigration for union busting, driving down salaries and driving up rents.

- Social services will be cut for everyone, including AfD voters.

- Weidel will discover that she can use state TV and refrain from abolishing it.

- Military spending will increase according to Hegseth's wishes.

This is the biggest con in post-war German election history.

Re: The far right's win in Germany is sending a chill through Europe's establishment

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Post by antisthenes »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #22
martin_bech wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whats your solution to the immigration problem in Germany?

That's a trick question though, and it cunningly pre-supposes / takes-for-granted there IS an "immigration problem", and implicitly that "the immigration problem is the root cause of other problems" (as opposed to, "there are real problems, and some people would like you to think they're because of immigration").

This kind of non-answer is exactly what leads to far-right parties getting more followers.

Tax paying citizens who want their concerns addressed absolutely LOVE hearing that "Ackchyually, your problem doesn't exist and is all in your head".

P.S. - I have no skin in the game regarding EU immigration policies, just making an honest observation about engaging with people who might have opposing views.

Re: The far right's win in Germany is sending a chill through Europe's establishment

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Post by berytos_storm »

balarjin wrote: post #30
DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Nazi party got 37% of votes nationwide (not just in one state). Getting a lot of votes does not mean a party is not far-right. Germans of all people know that.

What is the "far-right" far from? In normal English, it would be from the average (median) voter. A party is "far-right" (or "far-left") if it is substantially to the right (left) of the average voter. Assume that people vote for the person/party closest to their own view on an issue. 44% of voters choose the far-right candidate, meaning 44% of voters are closer to the far-right candidate than any other option. How c…

> But this is Hacker News, and the people here ought to be smart enough to see this

lol. lmao.

Re: The far right's win in Germany is sending a chill through Europe's establishment

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Post by misguidedrightf »

cyberpunk wrote: post #6
DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Nazi party got 37% of votes nationwide (not just in one state). Getting a lot of votes does not mean a party is not far-right. Germans of all people know that.

I have a feeling that the majority of AFD voters simply want some kind of change and action on what they are seeing happen in Germany. I'm definitely not one of them, (and being an auslander myself I have skin in this game) -- this is a failure of the other parties more than it's a victory for AFD. But then again, that's all it takes really.

This was a state election. This state was the first to elect nazis pre nazi dictatorship. Let's not jump to any crazy conclusions.

In 2020, florida was called for trump and biden won. Saying florida was a sign of things to come was simply not true.

Re: The far right's win in Germany is sending a chill through Europe's establishment

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Post by cute_boi »

I don't understand why we even give the right an opportunity to speak on immigration. Is it really that hard to allow only legal immigration and stop giving incentives to illegal immigrants? I understand that there may be around 5% of people who are genuinely trying to escape dictatorships, but if 95% are just gaming the system, it's going to look very bad.

Re: The far right's win in Germany is sending a chill through Europe's establishment

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Post by bell-cot »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #4
redeeman wrote: post #2

"far right" (gets 44% of votes.. lets not talk about that)

The Nazi party got 37% of votes nationwide (not just in one state). Getting a lot of votes does not mean a party is not far-right. Germans of all people know that.

That comparison is depressingly applicable. The National Socialists gained power in a period when both the present and future looked very bleak to a large fraction of German voters, and a whole succession governments formed by political mainstream figures had demonstrated that they couldn't do squat to really fix things - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_Republic#Renewed_crisis...

If https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_II had not done such a comprehensive job of discrediting hereditary nobility, it might be healthier if German voters had the option to replace their elected government with a ruling Kaiser for 4 or 5 years. Ideally, that would lessen the appeal of more-extreme political parties. And the threat of indefinite irrelevance (the Kaiser could be reelected) might even motivate the politicians to occasional competence.

Re: The far right's win in Germany is sending a chill through Europe's establishment

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Post by atq2119 »

cyberpunk wrote: post #3

When no political party is willing to address the immigration issue that clearly is forefront on the minds of such AFD voters, what did you expect them to do? Vote CDU? Do we all think that another 8, 10 years of being "firewalled" out of national poltitics and being told they're all nazis (I'm sure some of them are, but nowhere near all) is going to make them less or more extreme? It's hard work making a society tha…

> the immigration issue that clearly is forefront on the minds of such AFD voters,

Let's be real: this "issue" is a strawman. It doesn't really exist, especially in that part of Germany. Just like pretty much everywhere else, the German anti-immigrant far right is strongest in the areas with the fewest immigrants.

This is not to say that the wave of immigration that is now more than 10 years past didn't have its challenges, and they were downplayed by some.

But at its core, the immigration scare is just the classic playbook of offering simple but wrong explanations to distract from the class warfare that's being waged by the wealthy.

Ideally, we'd turn down the temperature and have patient conversations, but the media environment was made very counterproductive over the last few decades.

Re: The far right's win in Germany is sending a chill through Europe's establishment

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Post by cyberpunk »

RIMR wrote: post #25
cyberpunk wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

? What did I say that gave that opinion? Of course I'm not rooting for the fascists...

Elsewhere in this thread, you talk about how it's unfair that the far-right gets compared to Nazis, but here you call them fascists. What a weird position to be in, where you acknowledge the fascism but think Nazi comparisons go too far...

See, this sort of thing is exactly is why they're going to continue to make progress. This attitude of painting all of them with the same brush and calling them nazis exactly is the thing that creates more nazis.

You're the problem here. I'm not on the side of the AFD, never will be -- and let me be clear: I and my family are directly impacted if they take power.

I don't think calling literal nazis nazis is a problem, my point, if you read it properly is that shutting down the (reasonable or not) concerns of a big chunk of the population and calling them all nazis only makes them more extreme, and grows their power. We need a better way.

Re: The far right's win in Germany is sending a chill through Europe's establishment

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Post by cute_boi »

reeredfdfdf wrote: post #21

I'm worried of what European defense will look like if some day France, Germany and UK are all ruled by populist parties with historical ties / understanding attitude towards to Russia & skepticism towards NATO and EU. Not good for us here in Eastern frontier of EU. Traditional parties have failed badly in economic and migration policies, and Russia does its best to exploit this. They can't win on a battlefield again…

Liberal party is sacrificing everything just to create a vote bank. They know immigrants will always vote them as Right don't like immigrants.
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