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The far right's win in Germany is sending a chill through Europe's establishment

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Re: The far right's win in Germany is sending a chill through Europe's establishment

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When no political party is willing to address the immigration issue that clearly is forefront on the minds of such AFD voters, what did you expect them to do? Vote CDU?

Do we all think that another 8, 10 years of being "firewalled" out of national poltitics and being told they're all nazis (I'm sure some of them are, but nowhere near all) is going to make them less or more extreme?

It's hard work making a society that caters to everyone, but the approach of ignoring and belittling a large group and ignoring their concerns entirely has a shelf life, and we aren't going to like the results.

But hey, the boomers will all get their pensions and continue to vote CDU so that's all that matters.

Re: The far right's win in Germany is sending a chill through Europe's establishment

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"far right" (gets 44% of votes.. lets not talk about that)

The Nazi party got 37% of votes nationwide (not just in one state).

Getting a lot of votes does not mean a party is not far-right. Germans of all people know that.

Re: The far right's win in Germany is sending a chill through Europe's establishment

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"far right" (gets 44% of votes.. lets not talk about that)

The Nazi party got 37% of votes nationwide (not just in one state). Getting a lot of votes does not mean a party is not far-right. Germans of all people know that.

I have a feeling that the majority of AFD voters simply want some kind of change and action on what they are seeing happen in Germany. I'm definitely not one of them, (and being an auslander myself I have skin in this game) -- this is a failure of the other parties more than it's a victory for AFD. But then again, that's all it takes really.

Re: The far right's win in Germany is sending a chill through Europe's establishment

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When economic reforms are off the table, and austerity has run out of things to be austere about... yeah, anti-immigrant political parties are going to feast.

Here in the US, there's a dumber revival of the Red Scare. The scare mongering isn't as effective this go round because there's no existing abundance for the people. All people want is affordable housing, jobs that let you plan for the future, and healthcare that won't bankrupt you. But there's no solution to any of those problems that don't involve some class of investors losing money/power. So we're stuck with MAGA. Incoherent ideology for incoherent times. When I look at the AfD, I see the same helpless thrashing taking hold.

Re: The far right's win in Germany is sending a chill through Europe's establishment

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When no political party is willing to address the immigration issue that clearly is forefront on the minds of such AFD voters, what did you expect them to do? Vote CDU? Do we all think that another 8, 10 years of being "firewalled" out of national poltitics and being told they're all nazis (I'm sure some of them are, but nowhere near all) is going to make them less or more extreme? It's hard work making a society tha…

> being told they're all nazis (I'm sure some of them are, but nowhere near all)

Many of their senior leaders are Nazis. The head of the party in the state of Thuringia used to write pro-Hitler articles under a pseudonym.

> ignoring and belittling a large group and ignoring their concerns entirely

The AfD doesn't address their problems either. It tells them that all of their problems are because of foreigners and immigrants.

What's the AfD's solution for affordable housing? Deport immigrants to free up apartments. What's their solution for creating jobs? Deport immigrants.

This is a party that wants to deport all German citizens who don't have a sufficient quantum of German blood. There's no need to pretend the party is anything other than what it is: a fascist party.

Re: The far right's win in Germany is sending a chill through Europe's establishment

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"far right" (gets 44% of votes.. lets not talk about that)

When people say "far right," they mean "authoritarian right," not "fringe right."

Just because authoritarianism has emerged from the fringes doesn't make it any less authoritarian.

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