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Re: Google limits Meta's use of its Gemini AI models

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It's interesting that Meta is heavily using Google's models (as opposed to Anthropic or OpenAI) given that they are not SOTA for coding. I wonder if this for some strategic/competitive reason, or maybe for cost saving?

Google tends to be very good at vision and smaller/ edge

I double check with Gemini anything ML/AI related, anecdotal but I feel like it's much more solid explaining things and pointing out pitfalls.

Re: Google limits Meta's use of its Gemini AI models

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Yeah but you don't need cloud for a blog. Cloud was sold as effectively infinite resources - capacity isn't infinite, or effectively infinite, it's 20% more than you are currently using and you pay 300% more for that. There has to be a name for this deceptive marketing tactic where you say something is unlimited and then it is only unlimited as long as you don't use very much. It would be one thing if you occasionall…

A blog for your product, if your product is already on the cloud, is a very sensible use case for the cloud. Static one deployed to a bucket and a CDN, fast, cache on the edge, high availability. The tiny blog sure isn't for the cloud, but also it's not the main client of the cloud. > it's 20% more than you are currently using and you pay 300% more for that. I'm assuming you are comparing to self hosting. Then you ne…

if im going to have to ask for capacity, why dont I just get my own bare metal servers then?

Re: Google limits Meta's use of its Gemini AI models

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but you don't need cloud for a blog. Cloud was sold as effectively infinite resources - capacity isn't infinite, or effectively infinite, it's 20% more than you are currently using and you pay 300% more for that. There has to be a name for this deceptive marketing tactic where you say something is unlimited and then it is only unlimited as long as you don't use very much. It would be one thing if you occasionall…

A blog for your product, if your product is already on the cloud, is a very sensible use case for the cloud. Static one deployed to a bucket and a CDN, fast, cache on the edge, high availability. The tiny blog sure isn't for the cloud, but also it's not the main client of the cloud. > it's 20% more than you are currently using and you pay 300% more for that. I'm assuming you are comparing to self hosting. Then you ne…

I compare cloud to non-cloud VPSes. If you compare them to self-hosting the price is even more biased against cloud, even with current RAM prices. Did you know you can get 40G or 100G dedicated internet to your colo rack for something like $2000 a month (prices vary greatly, YMMV)? Colo only makes sense if you need a fairly large quantity of compute resources, but the per-unit cost can be very good. Every other style of hosting is building on top of it with a profit margin, after all.

Re: Google limits Meta's use of its Gemini AI models

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It's interesting that Meta is heavily using Google's models (as opposed to Anthropic or OpenAI) given that they are not SOTA for coding. I wonder if this for some strategic/competitive reason, or maybe for cost saving?

> It's interesting that Meta is heavily using Google's models (as opposed to Anthropic or OpenAI)

Who says they aren't? Could be using all of them for "research".

Re: Google limits Meta's use of its Gemini AI models

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Using LLMs for development is not efficient. All of the problems these companies are having trying to provide enough compute and energy are proof.

Understanding the actual problems we are trying to solve with code and efficiently coming up with solutions (essentially, pre-LLM development) will always be better than wastefully brute forcing solutions with LLMs.

Re: Google limits Meta's use of its Gemini AI models

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If you allow me a bit of pedantry, it's infinite "for all intents and purposes". It doesn't mean you can request civilizational levels of compute, but for a blog, a crud, an ETL and such, that is regular use cases with sensible scale you can absorb any elastic demand. Having said that, I agree with you. You have to request limit increases often and can't scale even in those instances if you don't plan ahead.

Yeah but you don't need cloud for a blog. Cloud was sold as effectively infinite resources - capacity isn't infinite, or effectively infinite, it's 20% more than you are currently using and you pay 300% more for that. There has to be a name for this deceptive marketing tactic where you say something is unlimited and then it is only unlimited as long as you don't use very much. It would be one thing if you occasionall…

It was sold as flexible, near instant provisioning of DC level resources. I don't recall having seen infinite anywhere.

Re: Google limits Meta's use of its Gemini AI models

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A blog for your product, if your product is already on the cloud, is a very sensible use case for the cloud. Static one deployed to a bucket and a CDN, fast, cache on the edge, high availability. The tiny blog sure isn't for the cloud, but also it's not the main client of the cloud. > it's 20% more than you are currently using and you pay 300% more for that. I'm assuming you are comparing to self hosting. Then you ne…

if im going to have to ask for capacity, why dont I just get my own bare metal servers then?

Because you don't have to wait for weeks just for delivery. And you pay for elastic usage.

Re: Google limits Meta's use of its Gemini AI models

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but you don't need cloud for a blog. Cloud was sold as effectively infinite resources - capacity isn't infinite, or effectively infinite, it's 20% more than you are currently using and you pay 300% more for that. There has to be a name for this deceptive marketing tactic where you say something is unlimited and then it is only unlimited as long as you don't use very much. It would be one thing if you occasionall…

It was sold as flexible, near instant provisioning of DC level resources. I don't recall having seen infinite anywhere.

It's not flexible if it only flexes 20% above your current usage
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