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Countries are competing to see which can carry out mass surveillance the best

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Re: Countries are competing to see which can carry out mass surveillance the best

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Post by egorfine »

simonask wrote: post #26
egorfine wrote: post #19

reddit started asking KYC yesterday. You (and me) can bitch all you want, but reddit has well prepared for us whining and being sad will change nothing. Mark my words: KYC will be required on HN in about two years. Not because dang will want it, but because that's the direction the world is going to.

It's weird because... I'm not the customer on either Reddit or HN. I'm the product.

You can become a customer on reddit by purchasing subscription. I did. I like reddit.

Doesn't matter. They want your passport.

Re: Countries are competing to see which can carry out mass surveillance the best

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Post by kodisha »

PxldLtd wrote: post #24
sph wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not parents demanding 'age verification' laws.

This feels a bit out of touch. These policies have a lot of public support here in the UK. All of our parent friends are lauding it despite my complaints.

What story are they telling them self to justify this?

Re: Countries are competing to see which can carry out mass surveillance the best

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Post by Cider9986 »

egorfine wrote: post #19

reddit started asking KYC yesterday. You (and me) can bitch all you want, but reddit has well prepared for us whining and being sad will change nothing. Mark my words: KYC will be required on HN in about two years. Not because dang will want it, but because that's the direction the world is going to.

Reddit doesn't want to ask for KYC, they are required by law.

Use a VPN, perhaps Mullvad or IVPN to appear to sites as if you are from a freer country (or state) to bypass the KYC.

Re: Countries are competing to see which can carry out mass surveillance the best

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Post by dataviz1000 »

goalieca wrote: post #6

VPNs are great and all but many that are well advertised here in North America are a huge source of attacks, abuse, etc. so it’s pretty desirable just to block them. They sometimes have agreements with residential ISPs to get around the bans.

The largest provider of residential ISP, BrightData, has installed them on smart TVs made by Samsung and LG, millions of them, unknown to the people who purchase and use the TVs.

Re: Countries are competing to see which can carry out mass surveillance the best

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Post by john_strinlai »

vivzkestrel wrote: post #10

- does anyone have actual proof that surveillance does not effectively curb terrorism or something along those lines? - i keep seeing the same arguments everywhere "ThEy WaNt To CoNtRoL Us" etc - how do you propose catching terrorists then?

>how do you propose catching terrorists then

how did police ever do anything over the past hundreds of years?

Re: Countries are competing to see which can carry out mass surveillance the best

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Post by deaux »

DrScientist wrote: post #17
sevenzero wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much of this is actually to "catch" terrorists? Its mostly for surveillance, intimidation, suppression. Usually it's the state that defines who a terrorist is, and usually terrorists are ALL people opposing the current regime.

Case in point - in the UK you can currently be put into prison for a long stretch under terrorism charges for holding up a sign with just 4 words.

Last I checked River->Sea is 6 words. Unless it's a phrase about a different subject, but I can't imagine since the UK only tends to arrest sign holders as part of protecting Bibi's interests.

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Post by speak_plainly »

Governments are casting a wide a net but it all seems aimed at a foreign influence and espionage Cold War going on. The thought of using this for crime in most countries is tertiary and the real reasons for implementing these systems are so embarrassing to their respective governments that they will rarely mention what's actually going. In Canada there has been two recently large omissions, one is the Chinese government influencing Canadian elections and the other was Indian spies killing Indian immigrants on Canadian soil. Maybe this will all result in mission creep, but the upside will be getting to pay for things with your face.

Re: Countries are competing to see which can carry out mass surveillance the best

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Post by qwertox »

egorfine wrote: post #19

reddit started asking KYC yesterday. You (and me) can bitch all you want, but reddit has well prepared for us whining and being sad will change nothing. Mark my words: KYC will be required on HN in about two years. Not because dang will want it, but because that's the direction the world is going to.

> us whining and being sad will change nothing

For me, ditching Reddit was what changed.

Re: Countries are competing to see which can carry out mass surveillance the best

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Post by Cider9986 »

bsenftner wrote: post #20

sure, I'll just right on your service, with the ability to see and sell everything I do...

VPNs shift trust from your ISP to the VPN provider.

I trust Mullvad 100x more than my ISP, so it's a good decision to use Mullvad and it benefits my privacy.

It's not like your ISP or Mullvad can see content of sites, either they can just see the DNS requests.

What ISP sees without a VPN: news.YCombinator.com, apple.com, Wikipedia.com

What ISP sees with a VPN: Mullvad server

What VPN sees when you use it: news.YCombinator.com, apple.com, Wikipedia.com

Re: Countries are competing to see which can carry out mass surveillance the best

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Post by egorfine »

Cider9986 wrote: post #33
egorfine wrote: post #19

reddit started asking KYC yesterday. You (and me) can bitch all you want, but reddit has well prepared for us whining and being sad will change nothing. Mark my words: KYC will be required on HN in about two years. Not because dang will want it, but because that's the direction the world is going to.

Reddit doesn't want to ask for KYC, they are required by law. Use a VPN, perhaps Mullvad or IVPN to appear to sites as if you are from a freer country (or state) to bypass the KYC.

> they are required by law

Yes I understand. They are better prepared to fight the surveillance state than I am. And yet they caved in instead of putting out some resistance.

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