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Re: The U.S. Is Terrorizing Cuba to Make Rich Men Richer

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Post by cindyllm »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #23
daft_pink wrote: post #9

The person who wrote this never asked a Cuban immigrant how they felt about the government in Cuba. Many will tell you a story about how their family desperately escaped on a row boat, are lucky to be alive and blame Castro. The bottom line is that many Cuban immigrants in the United States feel that the current government destroyed the country and should be removed and Marco Rubio’s quest to fix Cuba is a reflection…

> Many will tell you a story about how their family desperately escaped on a row boat, are lucky to be alive and blame Castro. Many will also not want to tell you any stories about what their family did in cuba. Like I'm not trying to downplay the real violence and excesses. But read about how americans talked about cuba pre-castro, what they expected from the place during batista's dictatorship. The deeply entrenche…

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Re: The U.S. Is Terrorizing Cuba to Make Rich Men Richer

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Post by recursivedoubts »

daft_pink wrote: post #9

The person who wrote this never asked a Cuban immigrant how they felt about the government in Cuba. Many will tell you a story about how their family desperately escaped on a row boat, are lucky to be alive and blame Castro. The bottom line is that many Cuban immigrants in the United States feel that the current government destroyed the country and should be removed and Marco Rubio’s quest to fix Cuba is a reflection…

Not even the slightest justification for inflicting so much suffering on the current population of Cuba.

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Post by ElevenLathe »

gruez wrote: post #24
andyjohnson0 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a strong argument that the Cuban government has treated many Cuban citizens very badly. But the assertion that this mistreatment is why the US is behaving aggressively towards Cuba is pretty naive. The people in power in the US at the moment do not care about the civil and political rights of Cubans. They care about acquiring Cuba and its natural reaources for themselves and their clients.

>The people in power in the US at the moment do not care about the civil and political rights of Cubans. They care about acquiring Cuba and its natural reaources for themselves and their clients. I thought the motivation was ideological, chiefly from the cuban exiles voter base, of which Rubio is a part of? Aside from maybe tobacco, cuba doesn't have much natural resources. That's why it's so poor.

The main reason Cuba was valuable to U.S. interests before the Revolution was as a playground for American vacationers. Las Vegas was basically spun up as a replacement Havana after the Revolution took it away from U.S. interests and jet air travel made Nevada a reasonable destination for well-heeled East Coasters.

I think something similar could be true today, and it doesn't require any natural resources beyond cheap labor, Caribbean weather, and an obedient government.

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Post by sjsdaiuasgdia »

alehlopeh wrote: post #20
andyjohnson0 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a strong argument that the Cuban government has treated many Cuban citizens badly. But the assertion that this mistreatment is why the US is behaving aggressively towards Cuba is pretty naive. The people in power in the US at the moment do not care about the civil and political rights of Cubans. They care about acquiring Cuba and its natural reaources for themselves and their clients.

Marco Rubio cares about his own quest to be the man who finally frees Cuba from communism. He doesn’t care about natural resources. It’s a pride thing. And I’m fine with that.

Rubio's family left Cuba before the revolution that put Castro in power.

Rubio has been pushing a false narrative of his family's history for a long time.

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Post by newaccountman2 »

daft_pink wrote: post #9

The person who wrote this never asked a Cuban immigrant how they felt about the government in Cuba. Many will tell you a story about how their family desperately escaped on a row boat, are lucky to be alive and blame Castro. The bottom line is that many Cuban immigrants in the United States feel that the current government destroyed the country and should be removed and Marco Rubio’s quest to fix Cuba is a reflection…

Having angry expats exercise control over foreign policy is stupid.

The rest of us don't need to do anything that doesn't serve us just because they have an axe to grind.

There's a good Scott Horton and Dave Smith conversation about this, but it's so obvious really, when you look at rich Cubans and rich Persians. Those revolutions happened because of their parents and grandparents, and now they want to pretend like they somehow represent the country they left? lol

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Post by newaccountman2 »

alehlopeh wrote: post #15
daft_pink wrote: post #9

The person who wrote this never asked a Cuban immigrant how they felt about the government in Cuba. Many will tell you a story about how their family desperately escaped on a row boat, are lucky to be alive and blame Castro. The bottom line is that many Cuban immigrants in the United States feel that the current government destroyed the country and should be removed and Marco Rubio’s quest to fix Cuba is a reflection…

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> Most Americans don’t even realize that there are millions of folks in Miami whose parents fled Cuba when the communists took over.

No, we know, we just don't think it should affect our foreign policy.

My own family also fled a similar situation btw, communists ousting them and taking their business, ultimately leading them to emigrate here.

But you have no idea how unsympathetic "pre-revolution Cuban factory owner" sounds lol, IDK how naive you think the rest of us are.

My grandfather's family, which owned the aforementioned business that got taken by communists, didn't do anything of use for other people or even for themselves really (e.g. didn't send kids abroad to get educated, as they should have). So karma got 'em (though ultimately the reason for the revolution could be ascribed more to the moral failings of colonial government than people like them).

Now, here, we see how the rich Cubans here are. How they vote. How they think they are better than other Hispanics, etc. Not interested in doing anything those people want.

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Post by boxed »

fabian2k wrote: post #25
boxed wrote: post #13

Maybe. But also, if the regime falls, you know who will become richer and more healthy? ALL CUBANS! If bad people do the right thing for the wrong reasons, we should be thankful, not angry.

Should the Cubans that will inevitably be killed along the way be thankful as well? Or the Cubans currently suffering due to the blockade? Even for clearly despotic regimes, overthrowing them is not the obviously right thing.

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Re: The U.S. Is Terrorizing Cuba to Make Rich Men Richer

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Post by andyjohnson0 »

alehlopeh wrote: post #20
andyjohnson0 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a strong argument that the Cuban government has treated many Cuban citizens badly. But the assertion that this mistreatment is why the US is behaving aggressively towards Cuba is pretty naive. The people in power in the US at the moment do not care about the civil and political rights of Cubans. They care about acquiring Cuba and its natural reaources for themselves and their clients.

Marco Rubio cares about his own quest to be the man who finally frees Cuba from communism. He doesn’t care about natural resources. It’s a pride thing. And I’m fine with that.

> And I’m fine with that.

People, specifically children, are dying:

"infant mortality has doubled to 9.9 per 1,000 births; childhood cancer survival rates have fallen from 85 to 65 per cent; and essential medicines are available at only around 30 per cent of normal supply levels." [1]

Are you fine with that?

[1] Children are dying as US sanctions push Cuba to the brink, warns UN human rights chief https://news.un.org/en/story/2026/06/1167671

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