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Why China got rich and India didn't

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Re: Why China got rich and India didn't

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China used an iron-fisted central authority to impose unity from above. China’s model created cohesion mostly through forced coercion and cultural flattening. “Let a hundred flowers bloom; let a hundred schools of thought contend” provided, of course, that every flower grows in the approved direction and every school arrives at the correct answer. On the other hand, India’s progress continues to be hobbled by deep-ro…

Corruption, red-tapism and colonial-mindset had and still has more part to play than thr reasons you have stated.

+1, all the things that were said about India are true about Malaysia, Singapore, and to various degrees within Vietnam and Thailand. Yet these countries are all richer than India.

It is still true today as Lky said 50ish years ago. The bureaucracy of India is federalized yet overly centralized.

When the city governor must ask for permission to their own money from the federal when yet they are so far away, there is nothing efficient. The powers are yet so powerful yet blind at the same time.

Re: Why China got rich and India didn't

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In case of China, the extend to which the central government can set laws and policies far exceeds what’s possible in India. India’s powers are split into Federal, State and “Concurrent” lists. Health and education for example is a state and concurrent list subject respectively, to which the “Indian Government” has only very limited say. So it’s apples to oranges when it comes to comparing investments in those domain…

India even has a state, Kerala, with strong communist political presence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism_in_Kerala

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Re: Why China got rich and India didn't

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Because all the educated Indians moved to US and contributed to the American economy, versus the Chinese who get educated in America, then move back to China to work there.

English is a major reason- Indians are just better at speaking English than Chinese and thrives in corporate America. Whereas mainland Chinese couldn't climb the corporate ladder and have to seek better opportunities back in China.

Find me a tech executive in a Big Tech firm who is from mainland China. You can't find one. Both Lisa Su of AMD and Jensen Huang of Nvidia are Taiwanese immigrants who grew up in US in the 70s and thus speak fluent English.

Re: Why China got rich and India didn't

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The article didn’t mention what I think is the single most important reason: the ability to align local governments with the central government.

You can design the best policies in the world, but it’s local governments that actually implement them.

The Great Chinese Famine was a prime example of this. Mao became the scapegoat, but he wasn’t as detached from reality or as blindly idealistic as many people make him out to be. His mistake was treating local governments the way he treated the military - giving them significant autonomy, making them compete and trusting the information they reported back to him.

It turned out that politicians were far more corrupt than military generals. Local officials lied about food production and greatly exaggerated output figures to gain promotions. As a result, the country sold more grain than it actually had, contributing to widespread famine and millions of deaths.

When Deng returned to power and began reforming the country, he famously toured China city by city to ensure that local governments understood the message and stop fk around this time.

To outsiders, it may seem that China can move quickly simply because the central government holds a great deal of power. That is certainly true compared with many other systems of governance. However, what really enables rapid policy implementation is the alignment between the central and local governments. Without that alignment, you would see the central government issue one policy but local government adds lots of red tapes and nothing really gets done in the end

Re: Why China got rich and India didn't

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The comment under does make sense. We have to explain Taiwan, Korea, and Japan as well. If the difference is 1950s actions then Taiwan in particular is unexplained, having diverged in 1949. Though the cotton mill productivity does challenge the idea that it’s genetics or something inherent. Interesting problem for sure.

According to Lee Kwan Yew[1], apparently he identified two big factors: India's diversity is not its strength -whereas China's relative homogeneity allows for easier governance(no contending non-pluralistic factions) India's federation is not its strength either. India's central government, unlike the Chinese, cannot unilaterally execute national plans. [in his example, they can't modernize a single international hub…

> India's central government, unlike the Chinese, cannot unilaterally execute national plans.

They don’t have the appetite to be socially modern anyway. Every Indian passport still has the holder’s parents’ name within (in Indian bureaucracy your parents seem to essentially own you regardless of age), which as TFA contends ties them to a social unit in a way that hampers the fungibility needed for smooth industrialization. Is it possible to argue that the central government doesn’t control even the passport it issues itself? It’s obvious that the motivation is simply absent, same as it was nearly a hundred years ago.

Re: Why China got rich and India didn't

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And how often do they vote against each other?

What would that tell you? The US only has two major parties and they vote against each other all the time.

It would indicate that the parties are actually independent and not just controlled opposition.

Re: Why China got rich and India didn't

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There is no singular decisive answer. Sure, you can chalk all of it up to "wrong" policy, but peel the layers a bit and explore the causes behind them and you'll see an endless chain of cause-and-effect covering more factors than all schools of academia can feasibly cover.

Re: Why China got rich and India didn't

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China used an iron-fisted central authority to impose unity from above. China’s model created cohesion mostly through forced coercion and cultural flattening. “Let a hundred flowers bloom; let a hundred schools of thought contend” provided, of course, that every flower grows in the approved direction and every school arrives at the correct answer. On the other hand, India’s progress continues to be hobbled by deep-ro…

India never had that choice, because forced order in the magnitude of China is practically impossible for the country for a vast variety of reasons too many to list down. Suffice to say there can be no comparison between PRC's federal admin that holds absolute power over every inch of its territory, and India's that barely survives each year.

For India, the choice was either an endless cycle of balkanization, bloodshed and anarchy à la Sub-Saharan Africa with a mild possibility of some of the states eventually thriving economically, or an inherited weak but held-together nation-state with a bit more negotiating power in the world stage.

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