Look at it as Ecology and Phase Space. Ecology shows us there are lots of different creatures/behaviors around a watering hole or nutrient site. Through the life cycle of the site and changing nutrient levels, different behaviors rise and fall. Intially site is found by curiousity/explorers. There is enough to go around. Trust is not an issue. Nothing exists yet to destabilze the system. As more life starts getting drawn in we see growth of parasitic and opportunistic behaviors. There is no ecosystem on earth that doesnt have them. As numbers grow Stability alerts start slowing growing in volume. Alarmists/moralists behavior grows. This feeds into status and reputationally sensitive behavior growth that has Stability restoration capacity. Main point being at different Phases trust is not a requirement.
Who Trusts Sam Altman?
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Re: Who Trusts Sam Altman?
#32I do. He is responsible for one of the major breakthroughs in the world. He is as trustworthy as Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, or Bill Gates is. Remember, they are playing the game of Business. The rules of the game are different than say rules of scientific breakthroughs.
Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that the scientists and researchers are responsible for the breakthroughs?
If you're talking scientific credit, in an academic context, sure.
But the real work is far more complex than an idealized ivory tower.
Re: Who Trusts Sam Altman?
#33Re: Who Trusts Sam Altman?
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is common rhetoric that feels overly reductionist and makes me sad. Sam got fired and his response was to manipulate and pressure his employees into a shameful, cult-like letter, and play the media to character assassinate Toner as being underqualified and stupid. His biggest competitor asks people in the interview process if they’d be willing to give up their Anthropic stock for the good of society. Surely you…
Brother we are speaking on a forum that operates as the furnace of evil. It is not possible to become wealthy by creating value—this is the same logic that made people think alchemy might produce gold from lead.
There is wisdom behind the 10th Commandment. Starting with materialism and veering into coveting is the source of much evil.
Re: Who Trusts Sam Altman?
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is common rhetoric that feels overly reductionist and makes me sad. Sam got fired and his response was to manipulate and pressure his employees into a shameful, cult-like letter, and play the media to character assassinate Toner as being underqualified and stupid. His biggest competitor asks people in the interview process if they’d be willing to give up their Anthropic stock for the good of society. Surely you…
If you posit that Altman suffers from main character syndrome (as many CEOs do), then he likely believes that he alone can lead OpenAI to success. In this case, doing whatever it takes to get himself back into the job is by definition justified. It's obviously worth stepping on a few toes if the success of the company is at stake. Anthropic asking hypothetical questions in an interview doesn't seem like a very good s…
So if a narcissist believes they're the only one who can do something, their actions are justified?
Re: Who Trusts Sam Altman?
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you posit that Altman suffers from main character syndrome (as many CEOs do), then he likely believes that he alone can lead OpenAI to success. In this case, doing whatever it takes to get himself back into the job is by definition justified. It's obviously worth stepping on a few toes if the success of the company is at stake. Anthropic asking hypothetical questions in an interview doesn't seem like a very good s…
So if a narcissist believes they're the only one who can do something, their actions are justified?
No, if a narcissist believes they're the only one who can do something, they believe their actions are justified.
Re: Who Trusts Sam Altman?
#37I've never trusted him, mostly because I find that — in all walks of life — the people sitting atop a pile of billions of other people most likely had to cheat in pretty heinous ways in order to get there.
Yup. To succeed materially in this world, you need two of the following three: skill, luck, ruthlessness.
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#38Re: Who Trusts Sam Altman?
#39I've never trusted him, mostly because I find that — in all walks of life — the people sitting atop a pile of billions of other people most likely had to cheat in pretty heinous ways in order to get there.
You can succeed at that level while staying a moral person, but it’s a much tighter rope to walk. The ones wise enough to be able to walk such a tight line are also wise enough to recognize that the reward for all the effort is sour grapes.