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10Gb/s Ethernet: what I did to get it working in my home

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Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: what I did to get it working in my home

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Post by mikepurvis »

IshKebab wrote: post #17
mikepurvis wrote: post #3

That's pretty wild. I have 1.5/900 fibre to my house, and I bring a 2.5 line from the modem to my home office where a 2.5 switch delivers it to my workstation, laptop, and unraid NAS. But those devices are all themselves just gigE I think, and I've yet to come up against a download (even a torrent) that seems like it would have really benefitted from having the entire theoretical 1.5 pipe available.

Yeah I foolishly paid for 500 Mb/s but the only things I ever get over even 200 Mb/s for in the UK are Steam downloads (and speed tests). Everything else seems to be roughly throttled at that rate.

Telus gave me a good price and I'd already invested in a Unifi gateway that could accept the ONT directly, so that was fun to play with.

Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: what I did to get it working in my home

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Post by saltcured »

loeg wrote: post #13
saltcured wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know when I was doing some custom wiring in a house around 2005-6, it was clear that cat-6e was the thing to use if you wanted any future-proofing. So I bought a reel of that even though I was only going to be using 1000-BaseT. I don't remember there being too much premium on the wire itself.

Do you mean Cat 6 or Cat 5e? Cat 6e isn't a thing and 6a didn't exist in 2006. 6 was certainly more future-proof at the time, although arguably 5e is still fine even today. (Super-gigabit consumer equipment didn't really exist until the last five years and it's till notably more expensive and less common than gigabit, which runs on 5e just fine.)

Cat 6 for sure. I thought there was some extra tweak beyond that, but I probably misremembered after all this time. Perhaps it was just that it was plenum-rated..

Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: what I did to get it working in my home

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

TexanFeller wrote: post #16

I'm extremely happy after upgrading my network to 10gbit copper ethernet. It was much more expensive than I thought it should be, but worth it even if I only max it occasionally. Now I can easily fully saturate my 10gbit ethernet doing a first Time Machine backup or transferring files to my M.2 SSD NAS which saves me waiting rime and is satisfying to watch. It's wild to me that 10gbit isn't the norm by now and tech p…

Heh it's honestly wild to me anyone needs over a gig. My work has a one gig fiber line supporting hundreds of employees and usage generally remains below 10%.

The high expense of 10gig is, in part, because it isn't widely necessary and the people buying it are willing to pay extra.

Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: what I did to get it working in my home

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Post by zamadatix »

hapless wrote: post #2

10g-base-T is a sick joke high latency, high error rates, and terrifying heat output from SFPs (which the author noted for himself) the only cat6 left in my home network is the link to verizon's ont, because in their infinite wisdom the ONLY connectivity offered was 10g-base-t

10GBase-T can still be nice if you're going to do native PoE (which the author did not) or you expect a mix of devices with 1/2.5/5 which you don't want to or can't upgrade/replace immediately (which is where it sounds like the author was situated).

The new 10GBASE-T SFPs are actually not too bad - you can get the full 100 meters at half the wattage it takes for the old space heater generation ones to reach 30 meters. Based on the article, the author did not know there were newer cooler options for the ~the same price.

Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: what I did to get it working in my home

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Post by thefz »

xxpor wrote: post #26

Unfortunately the blog didn't link to the SFP+ module they're using, but everyone should know there's effectively 2 different generations of 10gbit sfp+ to ethernet^H10BASE-T modules. The old gen, labeled as 30 meters, draws ~3 W, and gets extremely hot (to the point it'll usually cause link flaps), and the newer gen, usually labeled as 100m or 80m, draws ~1.5 W, and runs much, much cooler. Example of the new gen: ht…

Thanks! 10Gb Eth is insane for exactly this reason (optical SFP+ modules are way cheaper and more reliable)

Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: what I did to get it working in my home

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Post by floathub »

TexanFeller wrote: post #16

I'm extremely happy after upgrading my network to 10gbit copper ethernet. It was much more expensive than I thought it should be, but worth it even if I only max it occasionally. Now I can easily fully saturate my 10gbit ethernet doing a first Time Machine backup or transferring files to my M.2 SSD NAS which saves me waiting rime and is satisfying to watch. It's wild to me that 10gbit isn't the norm by now and tech p…

It's wild to me Time Machine works on your network. Are you just doing "first backups" over and over again, or have you somehow achieved the very rare state where Time Machine can run for, say, a week at a time without falling over?

Sorry, this is snarky and off topic, but I'm nostalgic for the days when Time Machine "just worked".

Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: what I did to get it working in my home

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Post by perarneng »

xxpor wrote: post #26

Unfortunately the blog didn't link to the SFP+ module they're using, but everyone should know there's effectively 2 different generations of 10gbit sfp+ to ethernet^H10BASE-T modules. The old gen, labeled as 30 meters, draws ~3 W, and gets extremely hot (to the point it'll usually cause link flaps), and the newer gen, usually labeled as 100m or 80m, draws ~1.5 W, and runs much, much cooler. Example of the new gen: ht…

I had this issue with old gen Unifi SFP+ to RJ45 10Gbe, 3 failed. Needed gloves to remove them. Bought newer gen and they are warm but i dont need gloves.

Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: what I did to get it working in my home

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Post by m463 »

bot403 wrote: post #22
cyberax wrote: post #19

The Mikrotik switch is awesome, and it's still the most compact 10G switch available. You can fix the thermal issue either by adding a small fan (Noctua is great) or by adding more radiators: https://pics.ealex.net/share/UxeSf_AWHLIuc-qzK5zl7JIgQvQDAZh... I've been running it like this in a closed comm box for the last 3 years without any issues. SFP+ modules actually do not use that much power, it's just that it's c…

Cripes. When possible just do fiber and DACs. Faster and much cooler than 10Gbit. 10Gbit uses an absurd amount of power per port thus the need for all that cooling.

yeah, the article though says...

"The apartment has structured cabling -- each room has one or more RJ45 sockets in the wall," ...

Which is the main problem most folks face.

wish the standard was "conduit" instead of "bake-this-years-tech-into-the-wall" which doesn't always last...

Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: what I did to get it working in my home

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Post by baby_souffle »

rhplus wrote: post #24
wpm wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Home users only do video calls and watch Netflix? More and more regular people are getting network storage appliances. More and more people have laptops with SSDs that can write at 4 or 5 GB/s. Why shouldn't they get to use all of it?

I should have said most home users. My point is that more bandwidth at this point probably won’t affect 99.999% of home users. What’s described in the post is the tech equivalent of supe-ing up a sports car and then driving it in rush hour traffic. It’s fun to geek out doing it, but practically in everyday use the difference will be negligible. Even with large file uploads and downloads, there’s a good chance that se…

> I should have said most home users. My point is that more bandwidth at this point probably won’t affect 99.999% of home users.

640k should be enough for everybody... DSL should be enough for everybody...

If you build it, they will come.

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