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10Gb/s Ethernet: what I did to get it working in my home

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Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: what I did to get it working in my home

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Post by afavour »

wpm wrote: post #10
rhplus wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

10Gbps is enough bandwidth for 500 concurrent Netflix streams in 4K/UHD (15Mbps) AND 500 concurrent video calls (4Mbps). Home users don’t need more bandwidth to improve their internet experiences, they need lower latency, less congestion and less loss. https://help.netflix.com/en/node/306 https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftteams/prepare-net...

Home users only do video calls and watch Netflix? More and more regular people are getting network storage appliances. More and more people have laptops with SSDs that can write at 4 or 5 GB/s. Why shouldn't they get to use all of it?

To quote the previous post:

> I've yet to come up against a download (even a torrent) that seems like it would have really benefitted from having the entire theoretical 1.5 pipe available.

There are many things along the way that would get in the way of a home user downloading something from the internet that would hit that 5GB/s speed. It's not that people should be "banned" from it or something, more that the investment cost isn't worth it.

Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: what I did to get it working in my home

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Post by loeg »

apelapan wrote: post #5

I might have been lucky, but in the one home and one office were I've connected 10gbit switches and PCIe cards, it has just worked. Especially the office was a nice surprise, because it is at least 20 meters (probably more) of unknown cabling and at least one unknown patch panel between the utility closet where the NAS lives and the desk area. The cables were run 15 years ago, so I expected it to be cat 5, but clearl…

> The cables were run 15 years ago, so I expected it to be cat 5

FWIW, Cat 5e supplanted Cat 5 25 years ago.

Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: what I did to get it working in my home

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Post by loeg »

saltcured wrote: post #9
apelapan wrote: post #5

I might have been lucky, but in the one home and one office were I've connected 10gbit switches and PCIe cards, it has just worked. Especially the office was a nice surprise, because it is at least 20 meters (probably more) of unknown cabling and at least one unknown patch panel between the utility closet where the NAS lives and the desk area. The cables were run 15 years ago, so I expected it to be cat 5, but clearl…

I know when I was doing some custom wiring in a house around 2005-6, it was clear that cat-6e was the thing to use if you wanted any future-proofing. So I bought a reel of that even though I was only going to be using 1000-BaseT. I don't remember there being too much premium on the wire itself.

Do you mean Cat 6 or Cat 5e? Cat 6e isn't a thing and 6a didn't exist in 2006. 6 was certainly more future-proof at the time, although arguably 5e is still fine even today. (Super-gigabit consumer equipment didn't really exist until the last five years and it's till notably more expensive and less common than gigabit, which runs on 5e just fine.)

Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: what I did to get it working in my home

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Post by gigel82 »

I was surprised that the old Cat5e in my home supports 10Gbps without any issue, so went ahead and upgraded the rest of the network with 10Gbps switches (expensive Ubiquiti gear, but worth it to talk at 10Gbps between all my machines, even though the internet is only 5Gbps Fiber).

Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: what I did to get it working in my home

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Post by loeg »

wpm wrote: post #10
rhplus wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

10Gbps is enough bandwidth for 500 concurrent Netflix streams in 4K/UHD (15Mbps) AND 500 concurrent video calls (4Mbps). Home users don’t need more bandwidth to improve their internet experiences, they need lower latency, less congestion and less loss. https://help.netflix.com/en/node/306 https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftteams/prepare-net...

Home users only do video calls and watch Netflix? More and more regular people are getting network storage appliances. More and more people have laptops with SSDs that can write at 4 or 5 GB/s. Why shouldn't they get to use all of it?

How much $ extra are you willing to pay for the extremely occasional transfer at rates higher than gigabit? 2x? 3x?

Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: what I did to get it working in my home

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Post by TexanFeller »

I'm extremely happy after upgrading my network to 10gbit copper ethernet. It was much more expensive than I thought it should be, but worth it even if I only max it occasionally. Now I can easily fully saturate my 10gbit ethernet doing a first Time Machine backup or transferring files to my M.2 SSD NAS which saves me waiting rime and is satisfying to watch.

It's wild to me that 10gbit isn't the norm by now and tech people who should know better seem to think WiFi matches or even exceeds even 1gbit ethernet. My MBP connects to my WiFi7 setup(Ubiquiti E7) at a nominal 1.5-1.9gbit but Time Machine backups and file transfers are slower than plugging into 1gbit ethernet, probably in large part due to latency and retransmissions. Not to mention that ethernet works with near 100% reliability with dramatically less variation in speed and error rate.

Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: what I did to get it working in my home

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Post by IshKebab »

mikepurvis wrote: post #3

That's pretty wild. I have 1.5/900 fibre to my house, and I bring a 2.5 line from the modem to my home office where a 2.5 switch delivers it to my workstation, laptop, and unraid NAS. But those devices are all themselves just gigE I think, and I've yet to come up against a download (even a torrent) that seems like it would have really benefitted from having the entire theoretical 1.5 pipe available.

Yeah I foolishly paid for 500 Mb/s but the only things I ever get over even 200 Mb/s for in the UK are Steam downloads (and speed tests). Everything else seems to be roughly throttled at that rate.

Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: what I did to get it working in my home

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Post by mlyle »

afavour wrote: post #11
wpm wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Home users only do video calls and watch Netflix? More and more regular people are getting network storage appliances. More and more people have laptops with SSDs that can write at 4 or 5 GB/s. Why shouldn't they get to use all of it?

To quote the previous post: > I've yet to come up against a download (even a torrent) that seems like it would have really benefitted from having the entire theoretical 1.5 pipe available. There are many things along the way that would get in the way of a home user downloading something from the internet that would hit that 5GB/s speed. It's not that people should be "banned" from it or something, more that the inves…

We have a 5gbps pipe; routinely download games from Steam at >3gbps; when I had to reinitialize my cloud backup it was >4gbps. All of this without impacting anyone else on the pipe.

Yah, our P95 bandwidth is just a few megabits per second. But it's not that expensive and routinely saves me a few minutes here and there.

10gbps on the LAN is more broadly useful. Pegging it for a file share is a daily occurrence.

Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: what I did to get it working in my home

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Post by cyberax »

The Mikrotik switch is awesome, and it's still the most compact 10G switch available.

You can fix the thermal issue either by adding a small fan (Noctua is great) or by adding more radiators: https://pics.ealex.net/share/UxeSf_AWHLIuc-qzK5zl7JIgQvQDAZh...

I've been running it like this in a closed comm box for the last 3 years without any issues. SFP+ modules actually do not use that much power, it's just that it's concentrated into a small package, resulting in high temps.

Re: 10Gb/s Ethernet: what I did to get it working in my home

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Post by sandworm101 »

wpm wrote: post #10
rhplus wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

10Gbps is enough bandwidth for 500 concurrent Netflix streams in 4K/UHD (15Mbps) AND 500 concurrent video calls (4Mbps). Home users don’t need more bandwidth to improve their internet experiences, they need lower latency, less congestion and less loss. https://help.netflix.com/en/node/306 https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftteams/prepare-net...

Home users only do video calls and watch Netflix? More and more regular people are getting network storage appliances. More and more people have laptops with SSDs that can write at 4 or 5 GB/s. Why shouldn't they get to use all of it?

Those ssds are very likely cached and so cannot keep that pace for more than a quick burst of a few gigs.
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