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Does that mean withdrawing US forces from Germany and elsewhere?
Does that mean ceasing to use Europe as a strike base for the middle east?
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
One, I feel like the "propping up Europe" is preposterous when europe is buying those things, not getting them for free, just like american weapon delivery to Ukraine have been paid by europe and not free for a long while now. Two, the US wasting of ammunition in an ill-prepared fight against Iran that has not produced any of the result they claim to want but managed to make things instable for a lot of the world has…
Every year for like the last decade I've heard "pivot to China" proceeded by the US using its various European bases to attack something in the Middle East.
At the behest of Israel.
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
They're laughing all the way to the bank, the US has locked Europe into so many long-term petrochem supply contracts courtesy of two energy crises, and the US have stated point-blank that the supplies (of LNG, in this case) are tied to the US-EU trade treaty plus whatever changes the US wants to make. Same protection racket plus a foot on the brake of the EU's push to renewables.
The renewables rollout just keeps going despite the discourse. It does mean buying things from China, which is now the least threatening option.
Alas, it is exactly the intermittent renewables that create a dependency on fossil fuels.
Unless you have nuclear or another reliable source like hydro, which you only get if you have the right topography for it.
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The US did not "pick up" Europe's defense bill out of charity. It ran a garrison empire because forward bases served American interests: containing Russia, projecting power, locking allies into US weapons. European welfare states are funded by European taxes, not Pentagon largesse. Defense is nowhere the "largest expense" of any developed country, pensions and healthcare are. Europe rearming is overdue, but the right…
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Sure, but then don't cry like a baby that we don't support your made up wars half around the world. Also don't expect us to participate in your global hegemony any more than absolutely minimal necessary amount for as short as possible.
Europe is bigger than US, if US loses (actually lost) all allies its just We are not complaining, this is good for us long term. I don't think its so good for you compared to where you are now though.
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So no more US military bases in Europe then? No more trade with a market of 500 million people? No more cooperation on science and research? Nothing of the current US isolationism makes any goddamn longterm sense for the US. Europe and the rest of the world will be fine, mostly.
Just please don't start any wars that mess up the global economy like you just did. Thanks.
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#37It's still baffling to see the US lose so much face in so short a time. There is definitely truth that Europe has relied on US defense for too long, but what the US got in return is hard to put into words and economic terms. We bought your tech, culture, defense and so much other stuff. This rift won't close anytime soon
People finally started seeing America's true colors
Re: Germany Overtakes US in Ammunition Production Capacity
#38It's still baffling to see the US lose so much face in so short a time. There is definitely truth that Europe has relied on US defense for too long, but what the US got in return is hard to put into words and economic terms. We bought your tech, culture, defense and so much other stuff. This rift won't close anytime soon
We didn't 'rellied on US defense'. We have a different policy...
We have Mauser, Carl Walther, Sauer & Sohn, Haenel, DWM, Krupp, Reinmetall, Hckler & Koch and more. We know how to do military
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#39The problem with this, historically is that the way Europe's geography works, a number of countries are just not going to fairly share in the burden of defending Europe, while other countries have the ability to tax foreign trade. Ireland is famous for this, and looking at a map, you can see why. Spain, Turkey and Denmark have historically taxed foreign trade. Additionally a number of countries have "unfair" advantag…
We work together in europe and we are not arming ourselves to fight european partners but because of russia
Re: Germany Overtakes US in Ammunition Production Capacity
#40It's still baffling to see the US lose so much face in so short a time. There is definitely truth that Europe has relied on US defense for too long, but what the US got in return is hard to put into words and economic terms. We bought your tech, culture, defense and so much other stuff. This rift won't close anytime soon
The US is teetering on the edge of a financial abyss. These are all just foreshocks.
> The US is teetering on the edge of a financial abyss.
Do you say this because of the outstanding debt? Otherwise, just their top 10 publicly traded companies earn more than all but 2 countries. Just the US defense budget ($1T and estimated $1.5T next year), which exports US foreign policy globally, absolutely dwarfs every other country's.