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Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by dmix »

payamb wrote: post #28
traceroute66 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Noteworthy: It’s not that no one in Iran has no access. Actually some have internet access via “white SIM cards” Erm, dude, you did look at the graph on the Mastodon post linked to, right ? You see that bit where it falls off a cliff to 0% netblocks ? "white SIM card" or not, you're not getting internet if there's no BGP routes being announced. The only way around 0 BGP announcements would be satellite... I suspect…

That’s not the reality. Pro regime “white simcard” people have been spreading their propaganda since start of the war on twitter, instagram and elsewhere.

Which is a big reason why Iran has been able to do so well in the information war. Lies in public to appear in control and totalitarianism for their own citizens to keep them in the dark.

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by payamb »

traceroute66 wrote: post #16

Looking at it from an alternative angle, the Iranians are not stupid. They know leaving the internet online would be beneficial for their adversaries, perhaps especially as Israel is one of them, and Israel's use of cyber is no secret. So by killing the internet, they have an instant air-gap firewall. Making the most of the levers they have fighting asymmetric warfare.

It’s proven time and time again that Mossad always find a way to infiltrate into even most secure Iranian network. This is mostly done to control the narrative and keep the pro regime supporters morale up.

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by 8593376393 »

rambojohnson wrote: post #29
BariumBlue wrote: post #11

Apparently there have been IRGC and basij curfew patrols shooting at buildings / windows of people who sing or shout anti regime songs and slogans. Apparently they are also (at least in some cases) dressing as women to avoid airstrikes. There has been very little photage and info coming out of Iran though. I still believe the Iranian government is more afraid of it's people than of the US and Israel - the US and Isra…

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Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by throwawayheui57 »

jncfhnb wrote: post #18
BariumBlue wrote: post #11

Apparently there have been IRGC and basij curfew patrols shooting at buildings / windows of people who sing or shout anti regime songs and slogans. Apparently they are also (at least in some cases) dressing as women to avoid airstrikes. There has been very little photage and info coming out of Iran though. I still believe the Iranian government is more afraid of it's people than of the US and Israel - the US and Isra…

This is all likely true. Although I feel people undersell how they work together. Iranians broadly hate their government, yeah. But the thing that gets them rioting is economic failure. Which the strikes have exacerbated. Social media is swarmed by people saying it’ll be like Iraq and Iranians will hate the US for its actions. I’m not convinced. My small anecdata of Iranian friends with contacts in Iran agrees with m…

> But the thing that gets them rioting is economic failure

I believe Iranians want to be able to decide their own fate, with the dignity that all humans deserve. Without criminal domestic religious zealots and without foreign meddling and bombing.

The previous protest was followed by the killing of Mahsa Amini, in morality police’s custody because of improper hijab. It’s not only economic hardships. But you’re right that war has made the situation worse, obviously.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/10/iran-at-least...

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by traceroute66 »

jncfhnb wrote: post #24
traceroute66 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s very economically harmful to be disconnected. That’s the downside I mean, sure. But then being at war is also economically harmful. :)

I guess. But the framing here is not “clever, innovative IRGC” so much as oppressive regime fucking over it’s people to retain control.

> But the framing here is not “clever, innovative IRGC”

I am not seeking to frame anything here. Nor am I interested in getting involved in the broader areas on discussion on the subject.

The first few words of my original post made it clear "Looking at it from an alternative angle". An alternative way of wording that would be "devil's advocate".

I am just supplying a perfectly reasonable alternative perspective, I am not asking anyone to agree or disagree with it, I am just making a "food for thought" statement.

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

#36

Post by dmix »

traceroute66 wrote: post #20
jncfhnb wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s very economically harmful to be disconnected. That’s the downside

> It’s very economically harmful to be disconnected. That’s the downside I mean, sure. But then being at war is also economically harmful. :)

This isn't just a wealthy country like the US doing war rations. Iran's economy was already in crisis before the war, where businesses stopped selling products because their currency was fluctuating so much they couldn't set prices without losing money. It means tons of small businesses shutting down and people going hungry. Which puts even more pressure on Iran's social services which are were already in a terrible state. Now the US blockade means significantly less tax money coming into the government.

Their country is very much on the edge of chaos which is why they are brutally controlling their citizens.

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

#37

Post by traceroute66 »

payamb wrote: post #28
traceroute66 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Noteworthy: It’s not that no one in Iran has no access. Actually some have internet access via “white SIM cards” Erm, dude, you did look at the graph on the Mastodon post linked to, right ? You see that bit where it falls off a cliff to 0% netblocks ? "white SIM card" or not, you're not getting internet if there's no BGP routes being announced. The only way around 0 BGP announcements would be satellite... I suspect…

That’s not the reality. Pro regime “white simcard” people have been spreading their propaganda since start of the war on twitter, instagram and elsewhere.

> propaganda since start of the war on twitter, instagram and elsewhere.

That propaganda can also be spread by people who do not have "white simcards" simply by virtue of the fact they live outside Iran.

This includes, for example, the various posts made by Iranian embassies around the world.

Come on, this is a technical forum, I really shouldn't need to spell that out !

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

#38

Post by roenxi »

dmix wrote: post #31
payamb wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s not the reality. Pro regime “white simcard” people have been spreading their propaganda since start of the war on twitter, instagram and elsewhere.

Which is a big reason why Iran has been able to do so well in the information war. Lies in public to appear in control and totalitarianism for their own citizens to keep them in the dark.

I'd hazard a guess that the big reason Iran is doing well in the information war is because the US/Israel combo launched an apparently unprovoked sneak attack in the middle of negotiations without thinking about the catastrophic global economic consequences it could unleash or how the attack, if executed, would help in any way. Trump still hasn't even found a crazy lie that sounds like a sane reason.

It is hard to spin that in a positive light. It looks a little unreasonable. Even without a propaganda effort by the Iranians there is a great scratching of heads in the west trying to figure out why we're embarking on this crazy crusade.

Although I hear the IRGC's lego game is on point so that is interesting.

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

#39

Post by traceroute66 »

payamb wrote: post #32
traceroute66 wrote: post #16

Looking at it from an alternative angle, the Iranians are not stupid. They know leaving the internet online would be beneficial for their adversaries, perhaps especially as Israel is one of them, and Israel's use of cyber is no secret. So by killing the internet, they have an instant air-gap firewall. Making the most of the levers they have fighting asymmetric warfare.

It’s proven time and time again that Mossad always find a way to infiltrate into even most secure Iranian network. This is mostly done to control the narrative and keep the pro regime supporters morale up.

> It’s proven time and time again that Mossad always find a way to infiltrate into even most secure Iranian network.

Sure, but why make their life easier ?

Taking your line of argument, you would also need to say "well, the US are going to bomb us anyway. We might as well just post all the GPS coordinates of sensitive sites up on Twitter".

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

#40

Post by inglor_cz »

nixon_why69 wrote: post #30
jncfhnb wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is all likely true. Although I feel people undersell how they work together. Iranians broadly hate their government, yeah. But the thing that gets them rioting is economic failure. Which the strikes have exacerbated. Social media is swarmed by people saying it’ll be like Iraq and Iranians will hate the US for its actions. I’m not convinced. My small anecdata of Iranian friends with contacts in Iran agrees with m…

If Israel and America can keep it in their pants and stop bombing civilians.. then yeah the government is very unpopular. If.

Unpopularity won't overthrow a government that is willing to drown every protest in blood.
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