I saw a Cybercab on the 280 today, it looked kind of cool but kind of weird, too. I wonder if it'll be the same thing physically.
Tesla reportedly developing new smaller, cheaper EV after killing Model 2
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Re: Tesla reportedly developing new smaller, cheaper EV after killing Model 2
#32Quarterly earnings will be released April 22. My impression is that in recent years, such rumors tended to cluster around earnings reports (which largely haven't been great the last 2 years or so), presumably as distractions.
They don’t really need this though, every TSLA investor already louds that TSLA is not a car company - I think now it is no longer “Robo”taxi company either but humanoids-data-center-on-Jupiter-moon-mining company. Hence, absolutely no need for any EV announcements :)
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
I was able to drive across the US in the winter in an Ioniq 6 without using Tesla chargers. All but a couple were 350V, WY was the worst state (NY->WA), battery conditioning had charges ~200V for the first phase until charge levels became the dominant factor. Ionna is 8 automakers building an alternative network https://www.ionna.com/founding-partners/ Hyundai has their EV platform which has been 800V for a couple of…
> All but a couple were 350V, WY was the worst state (NY->WA), battery conditioning had charges ~200V for the first phase until charge levels became the dominant factor. Sorry but what? I can maybe understand “V” instead of “kW” (why?), but what does the second part mean?
EV batteries charge much faster from 10% or 20% to 60%, maybe somewhat higher than that.
Going from 20% to 80% typically takes as long as going from 80% to 100% and so standard advice is never to charge to 100% unless you absolutely have to.
Every model has a charging curve, which I've never seen a manufacturer provide but some reviews do their own.
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#35It's a shame what happened to this company. I used to really want a Tesla, but now the brand signifies your support for Musk/DOGE, they killed half their lineup, and they keep mentioning that cars aren't the future as they aim for driverless taxis and robots. At least they opened the supercharger network. My mom picked up a Cadillac Optiq and even with her being on the other side of the country she was able to seamle…
I was able to drive across the US in the winter in an Ioniq 6 without using Tesla chargers. All but a couple were 350V, WY was the worst state (NY->WA), battery conditioning had charges ~200V for the first phase until charge levels became the dominant factor. Ionna is 8 automakers building an alternative network https://www.ionna.com/founding-partners/ Hyundai has their EV platform which has been 800V for a couple of…
That sounds wonderful. Our experience with an Ioniq 6 has been less spectacular. First of all, in winter the range drops from 520km to about 350km, and charging takes about 50% longer.
Then when we took a long trip we only found one or two charging stations faster than 10kW every 300km. Many of the chargers were not functioning, some were on private property (e.g. car dealerships) and closed on Sundays, and none of them were rated at more than 100kW (and typically charging at about 70kW). The ones that were 100kW often had one or more cars waiting for them, so our 90-minute charge could have taken double that.
The only exception was a Tesla supercharger station, but my wife refuses to support Elon Musk in any way, so that was out.
This is in Southern Ontario, outside the Greater Toronto Area.
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I mean I don't think a lot of things on cars need or sometimes even can be improved other than the battery tech. Producing nearly the same body and control systems for 20+ years could save on manufacturing costs and could save customers on repair parts costs.
Nobody jumps in a 2002 car and bemoans the fact that it lacks lane drifting warnings or that the door handle doesn't have some overengineered mechanism, it still does everything they need and more without difficulty. 90% of people's complaints would be, if not so directly, "It was made over 20 years ago and parts are worn and sloppy" which almost all disappears if the exact same car still rolled off the line today and was new. It is also a chance for iterative improvements when engineering flaws are found, like cracks on hard wearing components or early bearing failures.
But that doesn't seem to be the kind of thing Tesla ever planned to actually attempt so it doesn't help them now. It may have been brought up once or twice before as an idea but nobody has ever mentioned more robust tooling in their plants to plan for it, repair parts are still super difficult to come by, and there have been substantial changes of component design between years that make them incompatible and not just improvements.
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#37Tesla is basically proof positive that the market, oligarchy and fund managers are all in the Epstein-sphere of influence. No rational market would suffer the type of business management and products that Tesla produces.
To me it is just proof that modern capitalist markets are inherently flawed in serious ways that nobody wants to admit. Everyone goes on and on about market efficiency and liquidity and capitalism doing some sort of self-balancing act, but it repeatedly fails over and over again on both individual and larger group scales. It just seems closer and closer to simple gambling, using the wealth and capital of large masses of society, but with the potential winnings mostly just going to a small few.
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
> All but a couple were 350V, WY was the worst state (NY->WA), battery conditioning had charges ~200V for the first phase until charge levels became the dominant factor. Sorry but what? I can maybe understand “V” instead of “kW” (why?), but what does the second part mean?
EV batteries charge much faster from 10% or 20% to 60%, maybe somewhat higher than that. Going from 20% to 80% typically takes as long as going from 80% to 100% and so standard advice is never to charge to 100% unless you absolutely have to. Every model has a charging curve, which I've never seen a manufacturer provide but some reviews do their own.
I drive an EV, I asked because the comment genuinely didn’t make sense to me.
Re: Tesla reportedly developing new smaller, cheaper EV after killing Model 2
#39It's a shame what happened to this company. I used to really want a Tesla, but now the brand signifies your support for Musk/DOGE, they killed half their lineup, and they keep mentioning that cars aren't the future as they aim for driverless taxis and robots. At least they opened the supercharger network. My mom picked up a Cadillac Optiq and even with her being on the other side of the country she was able to seamle…
Absolutely waste but with insufficient accountability. I don't understand how or why shareholders haven't sued him into penury. Taking political positions as a business figure is inherently fraught with risk, but then taking extreme political positions, openly flaunting drug use, and suggesting human decency is weakness is bloody weird and insane that will only lead to hubris. I don't want to know a CEO's religion or…
That salute was too much even for the AfD. That it's not obvious to every American is an indicator of just how thoroughly boiled are we frogs.
Re: Tesla reportedly developing new smaller, cheaper EV after killing Model 2
#40I saw a Cybercab on the 280 today, it looked kind of cool but kind of weird, too. I wonder if it'll be the same thing physically.
Given a last-minute announcement of a new vehicle in a crisis situation, that vehicle can't be too different from what already exists.