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Re: Firefox OS – video presentations and slides on the OS, WebAPIs

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Post by superawesome »

mlok wrote: post #14
y0ghur7_xxx wrote: post #3

Sorry for the OT, but I always get a certificate error when visiting that domain. Am I the only one? http://www.sslshopper.com/ssl-checker.html#hostname=hacks.mo... Says the cert is ok, but my firefox complains: hacks.mozilla.org uses an invalid security certificate. The certificate is only valid for tbpl.mozilla.org (Error code: ssl_error_bad_cert_domain) Maybe there is something wrong with my network.

Same error for me (using latest FF on Ubuntu)

Do you have TLSv1.0 disabled (see briansmith's comment)?

Re: Firefox OS – video presentations and slides on the OS, WebAPIs

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Post by litmus »

litmus wrote: post #26
pajju wrote: post #19

Mozilla nurtured the web with Firefox. This is yet another great project for the Mobile ecosystem. I always wished for myself and for the larger web community a 'Rock solid web based Open' Mobile Platform. And it is happening fast. All such advancements are only possible today, as we have faster Javascript engines, can leverage Cloud services, access to cheaper hardware and much faster Internet Penetration and adopti…

Seriously, I don't know why exactly but this stuff makes me feel like a dirty utopian hippie despite all the steely-eyed "realist" devil's advocate posturing people can summon. I only wish FirefoxOS devices were around to have been considered for our retarded "give every child a tablet" program that's underway in Turkey, especially given the rumors that Mozilla is shooting for the cheap end of the market. As expected…

downvote explanation? alluding to the notion that a open standards based mobile OS may be an ideal candidate for a state-funded tablet education push is bad because...why exactly?

ed: the above post is not meant to be sarcastic. dirty utopian hippie = optimistic in a good way

Re: Firefox OS – video presentations and slides on the OS, WebAPIs

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Post by hnriot »

litmus wrote: post #26
pajju wrote: post #19

Mozilla nurtured the web with Firefox. This is yet another great project for the Mobile ecosystem. I always wished for myself and for the larger web community a 'Rock solid web based Open' Mobile Platform. And it is happening fast. All such advancements are only possible today, as we have faster Javascript engines, can leverage Cloud services, access to cheaper hardware and much faster Internet Penetration and adopti…

Seriously, I don't know why exactly but this stuff makes me feel like a dirty utopian hippie despite all the steely-eyed "realist" devil's advocate posturing people can summon. I only wish FirefoxOS devices were around to have been considered for our retarded "give every child a tablet" program that's underway in Turkey, especially given the rumors that Mozilla is shooting for the cheap end of the market. As expected…

Probably the use of "retarded", IDK, but that's usually considered non-pc by Americans. Especially in such close proximity to "child"

Re: Firefox OS – video presentations and slides on the OS, WebAPIs

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Post by litmus »

hnriot wrote: post #33
litmus wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously, I don't know why exactly but this stuff makes me feel like a dirty utopian hippie despite all the steely-eyed "realist" devil's advocate posturing people can summon. I only wish FirefoxOS devices were around to have been considered for our retarded "give every child a tablet" program that's underway in Turkey, especially given the rumors that Mozilla is shooting for the cheap end of the market. As expected…

Probably the use of "retarded", IDK, but that's usually considered non-pc by Americans. Especially in such close proximity to "child"

thanks. to be clear then, the program is "bad and ill-timed" because there is no educational framework or material ready to support the tablets. so by the time it does start rolling in, there's a danger that the devices will be out-dated.

Re: Firefox OS – video presentations and slides on the OS, WebAPIs

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Post by cpeterso »

shardling wrote: post #24
zobzu wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually its Android/Linux A lot of parts are non-GNU. Specially the proprietary drivers.

There's a brief description on wikipedia; it's called "Gonk". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_OS#Gonk

I suspect "Gonk" is a pun on "Gecko" and "Android" based on Star Wars' GNK power droid:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/GNK_power_droid

Re: Firefox OS – video presentations and slides on the OS, WebAPIs

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Post by cpeterso »

sp332 wrote: post #23
zobzu wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually its Android/Linux A lot of parts are non-GNU. Specially the proprietary drivers.

Oh! Actually I had no idea it was based on Android, which actually makes a lot more sense for phones than the regular GNU userland. Thanks!

Using an Android kernel also allows Mozilla to leverage Google's Linux work and get hardware support "for free" from hardware vendors who won't bother writing drivers for non-Android Linux.

Re: Firefox OS – video presentations and slides on the OS, WebAPIs

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Post by slacka »

leeoniya wrote: post #13

i haven't been this excited about something in a long time. what i wouldn't give to hack my own phone without learning proprietary platforms.

Then get yourself a Nexus Android phone today. The OS is completely open source, with a whole community built around hacking phones, XDA. You can get much better performance out of Java than you could ever dream to with JavaScript. Many of FF OS's hardware APIs are Mozilla specific, no different than Android's.

Re: Firefox OS – video presentations and slides on the OS, WebAPIs

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Post by thelukester »

Mozilla has lost their way with Firefox, and are becoming like MS. They have a slow, bloated browser that runs terribly on Android. Instead of trying to make the best browser for the platform, they created FF OS, locking the user into their platform and API standards, just like MS tried to do when it bundled IE in Windows.

I had a WebOS phone and despite loving the beautiful UI and it being ahead of iOS in many ways like notifications and task switching, I dumped it. HTML5 killed the user experience. I need fast, responsive apps that only Android and iOS can deliver.

There's no way I'd ever go back to generic, laggy, HTML5 Apps.

Re: Firefox OS – video presentations and slides on the OS, WebAPIs

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Post by leeoniya »

slacka wrote: post #37
leeoniya wrote: post #13

i haven't been this excited about something in a long time. what i wouldn't give to hack my own phone without learning proprietary platforms.

Then get yourself a Nexus Android phone today. The OS is completely open source, with a whole community built around hacking phones, XDA. You can get much better performance out of Java than you could ever dream to with JavaScript. Many of FF OS's hardware APIs are Mozilla specific, no different than Android's.

i run CM7 nightly on my original Evo 4G (WiMax). i have done a fair bit of customizing it, but without learning Java in addition to the huge android framework, it's a pretty gnarly task to make significant changes.

i think that firefox OS will do to the smartphone ecosystem what github did to open source contribution revival. not having to touch the OS guts, and just scripting against some additional APIs is a huge win for simplification to the whole hacking process.

the mozilla-specific stuff will start proprietary like android, but all of their work is submitted for standards adoption and is almost certainly needed in one form or another.

Re: Firefox OS – video presentations and slides on the OS, WebAPIs

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Post by mercurial »

slacka wrote: post #37
leeoniya wrote: post #13

i haven't been this excited about something in a long time. what i wouldn't give to hack my own phone without learning proprietary platforms.

Then get yourself a Nexus Android phone today. The OS is completely open source, with a whole community built around hacking phones, XDA. You can get much better performance out of Java than you could ever dream to with JavaScript. Many of FF OS's hardware APIs are Mozilla specific, no different than Android's.

It's open source in the sense that the source is available. It's not open-source in the sense of being a community project. As for Javascript vs Java, Javascript has come a long way. Recent JS engines are pretty fast. Not to say that it can't be tricky to maintain a large base of JS code, but that's a different debate.

I for one am looking forward to it, though the lack of apps compared to the other two dominant ecosystems will be a problem.

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