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Italy, Belgium set to lose gas supply after biggest LNG plant bombed

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Re: Italy, Belgium set to lose gas supply after biggest LNG plant bombed

#31
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Hope this will be a wake up call for the countries to double down on green/nuclear energy instead of sucking Russian/Middle Eastern tit.

Nuclear takes like 15 years to build, it's being worked on but it won't be much more relevant soon. Green energy isn't very useful for heating in winter.

Heat pumps are very common in the Nordics and can be used for almost the entire year.

Re: Italy, Belgium set to lose gas supply after biggest LNG plant bombed

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> starting from the US arrogance that led to the war in Ukraine The US arrogance of Russia claiming Ukraine is a country that shouldn't exist and invading it?

It’s never dawned on you that the lying, cheating, manipulative, murderous Epstein class government just may have lied to you? They may lie to you every day, telling you e.g., that there’s just absolutely no money for proper care of its own citizens’ fundamental needs, but then immediately approve 10X that amount to squander and personally profit from murder and military spending … but you think those people are just the most honest people that never ever lie about what happened/history???

Re: Italy, Belgium set to lose gas supply after biggest LNG plant bombed

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On its face, this suggests that only Russia and the US have any autonomy vis a vis who gets to be in NATO. What about what Ukraine wants?

NATO is a military alliance, the only ones who get a say about who is in it and who isn't are its current members. That said, of course choices have consequences, and some choices are more advisable/ appropriate than others.

> NATO is a military alliance, the only ones who get a say about who is in it and who isn't are its current members.

And they repeatedly rejected Ukraine and are still doing it? What's your point?

Re: Italy, Belgium set to lose gas supply after biggest LNG plant bombed

#34

Europe has plenty of shale gas but refuses to exploit it. Nuclear was stopped or even dismantled. There is such a lack of strategic thinking that at some point the only logical conclusion is that we like to suffer and to lose.

Nuclear was stopped? Look at France.

Re: Italy, Belgium set to lose gas supply after biggest LNG plant bombed

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> starting from the US arrogance that led to the war in Ukraine What arrogance would this be?

Like this:

"It's not that you refrain from doing something because it will offend Russia. If Russia is doing something that we don't want it to do, we should offend them."[0]

And that's coming from a man who said a few minutes earlier:

"There is one of the factor here that we seem to be forgetting, and we did, though it was not a legally binding assurance, we gave categorical assurances to Gorbachev, back when the Soviet Union existed, that if a United Germany was able to stay in NATO, NATO would not be moved eastward. ... It is not a legally binding, but it was, you might say, a geopolitical deal."[1]

But later on it was a repeating speaking point that it's not Russia's business if NATO decides to expand.

And should I mention the US "midwifing" the coup in Ukraine in 2014? [2]

[0] https://youtu.be/ZHm_7T7QNl8?si=3j_teBKN1sFVOGSL&t=925

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHm_7T7QNl8&t=706s

[2] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

Re: Italy, Belgium set to lose gas supply after biggest LNG plant bombed

#36
post #6

Hope this will be a wake up call for the countries to double down on green/nuclear energy instead of sucking Russian/Middle Eastern tit.

Nuclear takes like 15 years to build, it's being worked on but it won't be much more relevant soon. Green energy isn't very useful for heating in winter.

> Green energy isn't very useful for heating in winter.

We do manage quite well to use green energy for heating during winter in Sweden.

Re: Italy, Belgium set to lose gas supply after biggest LNG plant bombed

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The arrogance of ignoring repeated Russian requests to stop NATO expansion and Ukraine integration into NATO, and of not stopping (well documented) US political meddling in Ukraine. This went on for many years- Mearsheimer was able to predict the war ten years in advance. The US and Europe ignored all this- the US maybe because it really stood to gain from a war, Europe because it thought it was beneath itself to ser…

NATO is a defensive pact, it can't expand. Countries can and want to join it willingly. > and of not stopping (well documented) US political meddling in Ukraine Assuming that's true, and it's a big if, let's turn this around: Russia has been messing with Ukraine politics since the collapse of the USSR. Why shouldn't US be allowed to? > Europe because it thought it was beneath itself to seriously engage with Russia. B…

> Countries can and want to join it willingly.

It's up to the current members to decide who can join and who can't. That should also include considerations of opportunity.

> Russia has been messing with Ukraine politics since the collapse of the USSR. Why shouldn't US be allowed to?

The US is allowed to do whatever its military and economic power allows it to. Then actions have consequences. The consequences had been stated clearly.

> pretty much not doing anything when Russia attacked Georgia, occupied Crimea

Here, check the history of sanctions of the EU to Russia. It goes back to 2014.

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/sanctions-agains...

Re: Italy, Belgium set to lose gas supply after biggest LNG plant bombed

#38
post #6

Hope this will be a wake up call for the countries to double down on green/nuclear energy instead of sucking Russian/Middle Eastern tit.

Nuclear takes like 15 years to build, it's being worked on but it won't be much more relevant soon. Green energy isn't very useful for heating in winter.

>Green energy isn't very useful for heating in winter.

Citation very much needed, or "yes it is"

Re: Italy, Belgium set to lose gas supply after biggest LNG plant bombed

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post #36
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nuclear takes like 15 years to build, it's being worked on but it won't be much more relevant soon. Green energy isn't very useful for heating in winter.

> Green energy isn't very useful for heating in winter. We do manage quite well to use green energy for heating during winter in Sweden.

Do we? I see plenty of complaints about high electricity prices and criticism of shutdown of nuclear reactors

Re: Italy, Belgium set to lose gas supply after biggest LNG plant bombed

#40
post #12

Hope this will be a wake up call for the countries to double down on green/nuclear energy instead of sucking Russian/Middle Eastern tit.

The majority of Belgium’s electricity comes from nuclear, wind and solar. They have been greatly expanding wind parks in the north sea, and they’re in the early stages of deploying SMRs. But the reality is that Belgium still needs a lot of natural gas for electricity production and its large chemical industry, and that all of this gas has to be imported. Long term there is the European hydrogen strategy which aims to…

The real problem are transport and heating. In most countries, those consume significantly more primary energy than the electricity sector and are still mostly fossil fueled. For example, more than half of the primary energy consumed in France is oil and gas. Heat pumps and electric vehicles or trains can now finally change this, but the transition is very slow.
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