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Italy, Belgium set to lose gas supply after biggest LNG plant bombed

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Re: Italy, Belgium set to lose gas supply after biggest LNG plant bombed

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AFAIK, 1970s energy crisis pushed Europeans to invent efficient small cars so let's hope this crisis pushes EU into completely abandoning fossils in favor of electricity generated by local means like nuclear, solar, hydro, wind etc. Even if the war doesn't go long enough, the contrast between Spain and Italy in energy security is stark enough to make a point. Maybe Trump is playing 4D chess after all, pushing Europe…

How many different types of Dementia are there?

Are there 4?

Re: Italy, Belgium set to lose gas supply after biggest LNG plant bombed

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Hope this will be a wake up call for the countries to double down on green/nuclear energy instead of sucking Russian/Middle Eastern tit.

The majority of Belgium’s electricity comes from nuclear, wind and solar. They have been greatly expanding wind parks in the north sea, and they’re in the early stages of deploying SMRs. But the reality is that Belgium still needs a lot of natural gas for electricity production and its large chemical industry, and that all of this gas has to be imported.

Long term there is the European hydrogen strategy which aims to convert a lot of the current natural gas storage and transportation grid to hydrogen and use that in places that currently use LNG, but this requires inventing new technologies so is not a quick fix.

Re: Italy, Belgium set to lose gas supply after biggest LNG plant bombed

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post #6

Hope this will be a wake up call for the countries to double down on green/nuclear energy instead of sucking Russian/Middle Eastern tit.

Nuclear takes like 15 years to build, it's being worked on but it won't be much more relevant soon. Green energy isn't very useful for heating in winter.

> Nuclear takes like 15 years to build

6-7 years. France built 40 its nuclear reactors in a decade, at 6-7 years per reactor.

Right now China is building reactors at 6-7 years per reactor.

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Nearly every Chinese nuclear project that has entered service since 2010 has achieved construction in 7 years or less.

Every single conventional commercial-scale reactor project in Chinese history has achieved completion in under a decade

Since the start of 2022, China has completed an additional five domestic reactor builds, with their completion times ranging from just under five years to just over 7 years. This continues the consistent completion record of Chinese projects even despite potential disruptions from the intervening COVID-19 pandemic.

China successfully constructed six nuclear reactors in Pakistan in around 5.5-6 years each

https://thebreakthrough.org/issues/energy/chinas-impressive-...

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Re: Italy, Belgium set to lose gas supply after biggest LNG plant bombed

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Hope this will be a wake up call for the countries to double down on green/nuclear energy instead of sucking Russian/Middle Eastern tit.

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> starting from the US arrogance that led to the war in Ukraine

What arrogance would this be?

Re: Italy, Belgium set to lose gas supply after biggest LNG plant bombed

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Hope this will be a wake up call for the countries to double down on green/nuclear energy instead of sucking Russian/Middle Eastern tit.

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> starting from the US arrogance that led to the war in Ukraine

The US arrogance of Russia claiming Ukraine is a country that shouldn't exist and invading it?

Re: Italy, Belgium set to lose gas supply after biggest LNG plant bombed

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post #6

Hope this will be a wake up call for the countries to double down on green/nuclear energy instead of sucking Russian/Middle Eastern tit.

Nuclear takes like 15 years to build, it's being worked on but it won't be much more relevant soon. Green energy isn't very useful for heating in winter.

Google "Messmer Plan". France built 65 reactors in 15 years as a reaction to the 70s oil crisis, and now the majority of electricity in France comes from nuclear without any significant dependency on fossil fuels. The only thing that we're lacking is political will to change things.

Re: Italy, Belgium set to lose gas supply after biggest LNG plant bombed

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> starting from the US arrogance that led to the war in Ukraine What arrogance would this be?

The arrogance of ignoring repeated Russian requests to stop NATO expansion and Ukraine integration into NATO, and of not stopping (well documented) US political meddling in Ukraine. This went on for many years- Mearsheimer was able to predict the war ten years in advance. The US and Europe ignored all this- the US maybe because it really stood to gain from a war, Europe because it thought it was beneath itself to seriously engage with Russia.

Re: Italy, Belgium set to lose gas supply after biggest LNG plant bombed

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Europe has plenty of shale gas but refuses to exploit it. Nuclear was stopped or even dismantled. There is such a lack of strategic thinking that at some point the only logical conclusion is that we like to suffer and to lose.

> at some point the only logical conclusion is that we like to suffer and to lose. Or that our political and media class are captured...

> Or that our political and media class are captured...

Yes, obviously that's the case, however it goes beyond that. I still vividly remember how in high school they taught us persistently how bad nuclear power is for the environment. And TBH for a very long time, I actually believed it. A lot of people in Germany never stopped believing it. At this point we have to admit to ourselves that the "Green"'s are a political ideology with good slogans, but ultimately contrary to their own messaging it is: pro-war, anti-worker, anti-independence, and generally just a basket to capture anti-empire sentiment to redirect them towards supporting it.

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