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Clever (YC S12) Lands $3M, Now In 2000 Schools

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Re: Clever (YC S12) Lands $3M, Now In 2000 Schools

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Then why not publish your API specs and data formats under an open copyright license? You don't necessarily have to submit them to a standards body like ECMA or IMS. You can just publish them under an open license that is free to use by everyone involved. You'd still be able to provide your service and charge for it accordingly. Pearson already offers an open-standards based integration solutions. Yes, it's convolute…

Typical cost of a SIF integration is well out of the budget for all but the largest districts in the country. From what we've seen it typically takes 6+ months to do a full implementation (faster if you hire some consultants). Clever is free and takes 5 minutes. From that perspective it makes a lot of sense for schools. From the perspective of a software company, something like SIF adds needless additional costs. Wan…

Well, obviously... otherwise there wouldn't be a place in the market for the solution you are providing.

Many of the SIS providers have failed to make these solutions easy to implement and they've allowed these standards to become overly complex. I've kinda said that in each of my posts.

But that's besides the point. I'm not arguing that Clever and LearnSprout aren't adding some kind of value. Of course they are.

But they are merely letting schools trade out one piece of vendor lock-in for another. And as we see play out in this industry, over and over again, is that vendor-lockin comes back to bite everyone involved.

So, instead of changing the conversation, why not address my question: why not offer the specs for your API and data formats under a free and open copyright regime? Let the market decide what format is best and what providers are best, but let the data be free and open.

With that, you'd even be beating SIF at their own game.

Re: Clever (YC S12) Lands $3M, Now In 2000 Schools

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Sounds to me like they provide an API for "5-minute SIS Integration for Educational Applications" (from their home page) and that an SIS is an "information system [that] capture[s] and store[s] data on students — from class lists and attendance to grades" (from the TC article).

One of the major pains in the butt for a teacher is getting students set up on a learning web app. Either you spend a bunch of your own time making an account for each student (which is time you could spend doing something more important) or you spend a bunch of class time having students sign up for the accounts during your teaching period (which is time you and they could spend doing something more important). If a…

The killer app for SIS is "support for 200-row CSV upload" ?!

Re: Clever (YC S12) Lands $3M, Now In 2000 Schools

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Wait a minute, is this taking private information about minors and, without guardian consent, using a proprietary API to give the information to private industry for-profit corporations?

Allow me to introduce you to the "Business Associates" loophole to FERPA and HIPAA:

http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/privacy/hipaa/understanding/covereden...

Re: Clever (YC S12) Lands $3M, Now In 2000 Schools

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I'd like to take a moment to point out how fantastically awesome Clever's API documentation[1] is.

Everyone with an API take note: examples in your favorite language of each API request with a demo API key already set up is how you get developers playing with your API. There was almost zero barrier to entry for me to get data from their API into a language I knew how to manipulate JSON objects with and muck around to my heart's content.

Note to Clever: perhaps go all the way to converting the response body to a JSON object in each language?

Edit: also, the "show/hide, collapse, expand" buttons are confusing. You only need two buttons that change their action depending on the current state ("collapse" becomes "expand" if the content is collapsed), and "show/hide" should be up by the `h2`s.

1. https://getclever.com/developers/docs

Re: Clever (YC S12) Lands $3M, Now In 2000 Schools

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It's probably not important to them, as I'm not their target audience but I looked at their home page and their about page and that techcrunch article and still have no idea what they do.

My thoughts exactly. I can't find a single place on their site where they define what an SIS is.

Re: Clever (YC S12) Lands $3M, Now In 2000 Schools

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Wait a minute, is this taking private information about minors and, without guardian consent, using a proprietary API to give the information to private industry for-profit corporations?

Co-founder of Clever here. Clever is a more efficient and secure way for schools to connect their learning applications with their SIS database. No data is shared otherwise. Clever helps schools stay compliant with FERPA, the federal laws on student privacy.

I'm working on an education startup. Where can I find a good comparison between you and LearnSprout?

Re: Clever (YC S12) Lands $3M, Now In 2000 Schools

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Co-founder of Clever here. Clever is a more efficient and secure way for schools to connect their learning applications with their SIS database. No data is shared otherwise. Clever helps schools stay compliant with FERPA, the federal laws on student privacy.

I'm working on an education startup. Where can I find a good comparison between you and LearnSprout?

Hey Jeff_29, I work on partnerships at LearnSprout and the best way to get a good look is to just contact both companies. You can reach me at emily@learnsprout.com.
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