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Clever (YC S12) Lands $3M, Now In 2000 Schools

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Re: Clever (YC S12) Lands $3M, Now In 2000 Schools

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Worth mentioning that Clever is now making a few key engineering hires.. if improving education through data sounds exciting, shoot me a note and say hello! Or check out https://getclever.com/about/jobs

Since you are here, I have been following Clever and think it is a great idea. The only thing missing from the docs, is how do I get access to a school's data? In my use case, I would need to get class roster data for 1-10 teachers that use my product in their school. I communicate directly with the teachers, and from the docs, I have no idea how these teacher communicate with Clever to make this happen.

To access actual school data, you'll need an API key. Send us an email (info@getclever.com) and we'll set you up & show you how a school can opt to share data with your app.

Re: Clever (YC S12) Lands $3M, Now In 2000 Schools

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For anyone who has been following the furor over Twitter's moves to control it's network and infrastructure at the expense of the developers who gave it value (and it's logo!), Clever and LearnSprout should be concerning.

The idea is that School's can integrate their SIS system with Clever's network once, and then have "seamless" integrations with whatever tools operate on that network. This is "free of charge" to the schools.

However, the apps/tools that integrate with Clever must pay them.

It should be noted that Clever's data and API aren't based on any existing or proposed industry standard.

Schools are baited with the idea of a "free" integration. They'll end up paying for it in the long run, though, because those costs will be passed on for every application they use.

What's worse, they'll all be locked into this proprietary standard.

On the surface, this all sounds like a "Great Idea". At the end of the day, it's an attempt at a land grab to try and control the market for student data. Is that even a market that should exist in the first place? Are schools making the right long-term choice when they integrate with a tool such as Clever and LearnSprout, it if means being locked into a proprietary standard down the road?

This sounds exactly like what has happened with the "centralized network" problem we have with Twitter, FB, etc.--and it is.

Yes, the existing toolset in K12 is abysmal. Schools and their vendors should be looking to implement standards such as those offered by IMS in Higher Ed, rather than just adding another proprietary mouth in the trough--especially one that doesn't offer any actual learning tools.

If Clever and LearnSprout issued their data formats under an open license through a standards body, I'd be way more interested. That said, I'm glad to see any kind of shake-up in the Ed space.

Re: Clever (YC S12) Lands $3M, Now In 2000 Schools

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post #9

It's probably not important to them, as I'm not their target audience but I looked at their home page and their about page and that techcrunch article and still have no idea what they do.

Sounds to me like they provide an API for "5-minute SIS Integration for Educational Applications" (from their home page) and that an SIS is an "information system [that] capture[s] and store[s] data on students — from class lists and attendance to grades" (from the TC article).

Re: Clever (YC S12) Lands $3M, Now In 2000 Schools

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post #9

It's probably not important to them, as I'm not their target audience but I looked at their home page and their about page and that techcrunch article and still have no idea what they do.

Sounds to me like they provide an API for "5-minute SIS Integration for Educational Applications" (from their home page) and that an SIS is an "information system [that] capture[s] and store[s] data on students — from class lists and attendance to grades" (from the TC article).

Yeah I guess their target audience would know what those things are. That's why I hedged my comment. I'm glad they're doing well, obviously doesn't seem to be a problem for them.

Re: Clever (YC S12) Lands $3M, Now In 2000 Schools

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post #9

It's probably not important to them, as I'm not their target audience but I looked at their home page and their about page and that techcrunch article and still have no idea what they do.

Sounds to me like they provide an API for "5-minute SIS Integration for Educational Applications" (from their home page) and that an SIS is an "information system [that] capture[s] and store[s] data on students — from class lists and attendance to grades" (from the TC article).

They provided a "vertical network" for K-12 Education data (your kids' test and homework scores), similar to what companies like Ariba and CommerceOne provided for manufacturers and what Facebook and Twitter provide for Advertisers.

Re: Clever (YC S12) Lands $3M, Now In 2000 Schools

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post #9

It's probably not important to them, as I'm not their target audience but I looked at their home page and their about page and that techcrunch article and still have no idea what they do.

Clever is an SIS: student information system. The SIS we use at my school is a web app that integrates all the database functions you might associate with schools: scheduling, grading, attendance, discipline, etc.

Ours is ugly but functional.

edit: Apparently I misunderstood what I read. Sorry.

Re: Clever (YC S12) Lands $3M, Now In 2000 Schools

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post #9

It's probably not important to them, as I'm not their target audience but I looked at their home page and their about page and that techcrunch article and still have no idea what they do.

Sounds to me like they provide an API for "5-minute SIS Integration for Educational Applications" (from their home page) and that an SIS is an "information system [that] capture[s] and store[s] data on students — from class lists and attendance to grades" (from the TC article).

One of the major pains in the butt for a teacher is getting students set up on a learning web app. Either you spend a bunch of your own time making an account for each student (which is time you could spend doing something more important) or you spend a bunch of class time having students sign up for the accounts during your teaching period (which is time you and they could spend doing something more important).

If a web app had a secure API to include all of my class lists automatically, I'd be much more likely to use it.

Re: Clever (YC S12) Lands $3M, Now In 2000 Schools

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post #16
post #9

It's probably not important to them, as I'm not their target audience but I looked at their home page and their about page and that techcrunch article and still have no idea what they do.

Clever is an SIS: student information system. The SIS we use at my school is a web app that integrates all the database functions you might associate with schools: scheduling, grading, attendance, discipline, etc. Ours is ugly but functional. edit: Apparently I misunderstood what I read. Sorry.

Thanks for the comment, pflats. We've seen our fair share of ugly SISes!

Clever actually isn't an SIS, though--we provide an API/integration layer that sits on top of the SIS.

We think SISes are great at a lot of things (state reporting, for example). Providing a nice interface for developers is not one of those things.

Re: Clever (YC S12) Lands $3M, Now In 2000 Schools

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clever is an SIS: student information system. The SIS we use at my school is a web app that integrates all the database functions you might associate with schools: scheduling, grading, attendance, discipline, etc. Ours is ugly but functional. edit: Apparently I misunderstood what I read. Sorry.

Thanks for the comment, pflats. We've seen our fair share of ugly SISes! Clever actually isn't an SIS, though--we provide an API/integration layer that sits on top of the SIS. We think SISes are great at a lot of things (state reporting, for example). Providing a nice interface for developers is not one of those things.

I definitely see the appeal here. Do you have any plans to give schools an on-site solution, rather than use your servers? Do you do this? Your site is rather light on details.
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