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Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)

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Re: Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)

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That article cites nothing other than someone's model. There is no hard evidence in what you linked.

Someone's model says that if you detonate a nuclear bomb in Manhattan, millions will die. There is no hard evidence tho.

Re: Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)

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There's no question in my mind that having kids gets in the way of single-minded vision that's required of the kind of career success that Jobs had.

It's unfortunate, but the reality is that having kids and actually caring for them in a way that gives the best chance to turn them into good, undamaged human beings requires a massive amount of attention that would heavily distract from lofty career goals.

If the drive for career success is strong enough, kids will be resented and treated as such. It sucks, and they probably shouldn't have had kids in the first place, but the biological imperative is incredibly difficult to overcome.

Re: Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)

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Totally different. Linus is a jerk for justice, Steve was just a narcissistic asshole.

So you think now. A few years after Linus is dead maybe the real truth will come out, when he won't be around to defend his legacy.

Eh, pretty sure it would be out by now.

Re: Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)

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it seems quaint to dunk on Jobs now...he seems like a saint in comparison, in light of Mao Zedong-style mass-murder-by-policy from the current crop of tech industry CEOs.

Your comment makes me interested in the hypothetical of how Jobs would have positioned Apple under the current administration.

I haven't read much about Tim Cook being anywhere near the level of sycophant, or raising the curtain to show the ugliness behind, as much as some of the others.

Re: Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)

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post #23

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That article cites nothing other than someone's model. There is no hard evidence in what you linked.

While the quantification isn't inherently reliable, the reality of many dead at the hands at Elon Mush is a simple fact that's not up for dispute. The only question is how many he's killed so far. He cut off life saving meds to sick kids and food aid to the areas with food shortages, the deaths are known and reliably reported.

Then it should be easy to prove, instead of saying "it isn't up for dispute" or citing a person's model.

Re: Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)

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Totally different. Linus is a jerk for justice, Steve was just a narcissistic asshole.

So you think now. A few years after Linus is dead maybe the real truth will come out, when he won't be around to defend his legacy.

There were things about Jobs around before he died, I'm pretty sure.

The denial of paternity of his first born being one of them.

(I think that was relatively well known well before he died)

Re: Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)

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To make sure history doesn't only remember the good things like their accomplishments. He was often really mean in person, that's pretty clear from his biography (and I also heard from some people who met him). Seeing him remembered as a tech saint is weird then. I'm glad I never worked for Apple while he was there. Though I have unfortunately worked for someone with very similar traits. Even though he is dead and ca…

I did work for Apple while he was there, and he was entirely decent. I came to believe that there was a bratty entitled personality from his 20s that gave rise to most the jerk stories people reference, and that he wised up after being ousted (probably for being that jerk). He was essentially exiled for the better part of a decade.

The jerk was there from the beginning. A friend's mom was temp-hired by two young guys, both named Steve, to help them set up their first company office. She liked one of the Steves but declined the offer to join their new company as the first office manager because the other Steve was an a-hole.

Re: Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)

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it seems quaint to dunk on Jobs now...he seems like a saint in comparison, in light of Mao Zedong-style mass-murder-by-policy from the current crop of tech industry CEOs.

Jobs was a terrible person on a personal level, all the other tech CEOs are terrible people on a societal level.

That’s largely because Jobs didn’t care about the societal level. Creating consumer products was “changing the world” enough for him.

Re: Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)

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When someone is long dead, what is the point in one-sided accusations about their character?

To make sure history doesn't only remember the good things like their accomplishments. He was often really mean in person, that's pretty clear from his biography (and I also heard from some people who met him). Seeing him remembered as a tech saint is weird then. I'm glad I never worked for Apple while he was there. Though I have unfortunately worked for someone with very similar traits. Even though he is dead and ca…

> Seeing him remembered as a tech saint is weird then.

Hero worship is always pretty weird. I wish we would do less of it in general. But for Steve Jobs, I feel like negative reports about his character were pretty well known during his life and after his death. I don't feel like I've seen a lot of positive only content about him now that his death isn't so recent (maybe a little bit in the context of people hating on current Apple products), unlike some other celebrities where people seem to forget all of the misconduct (alleged or proven) during their lifetime.

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