this is good and I hope this puts a lot of the drama in the rearview mirror. younger developers coming across Ruby must be like "wtf" about this situation. very peculiar to have these projects so politicised and I say that to the people that "try and keep politics out" (DHH) more than anyone. making your politics known and then being like "but you're not allowed to have an opinion on it" is't cute or clever. it's childish and everyone everywhere deserves to be treated with more respect than that.
Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler
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Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler
#32In the long run, having multiple sources like gem.coop is probably a safer and more robust solution. But for RubyGems specifically, the trust was fully lost, through several layers - maintainers, community members, sponsors, etc. There's still open questions that probably need to be resolved like the funding and data privacy stuff, but I think most folks in ruby land will be supportive of this.
This is just the tooling though, not "rubygems.org" which is still owned by a hostile entity (depending on where you sit on this), so not sure how this would restore any trust?
As a co-author of RubyGems and one of the original Board members of Ruby Central, they are not a hostile entity. They are the entity that we gave stewardship of RubyGems and we/they have hosted it for its entire existence.
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#35In the long run, having multiple sources like gem.coop is probably a safer and more robust solution. But for RubyGems specifically, the trust was fully lost, through several layers - maintainers, community members, sponsors, etc. There's still open questions that probably need to be resolved like the funding and data privacy stuff, but I think most folks in ruby land will be supportive of this.
Any summary of what exaclty unfolded please (if you don't mind)? Sorry haven't been following the Ruby news for sometime.
Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler
#36These projects were not Ruby Central’s in the first place. They were stolen for Ruby Central by a Ruby Core insider, HSBT. This is horrible news. They were stolen from André Arko, Colby Swandale, David Rodríguez, Ellen, Josef Šimánek, Martin Emde and Samuel Giddins.
They did not WRITE RubyGems, they inherited it and evolved it. Chad, David, Jim (RIP), Paul and I wrote RubyGems. I hosted RubyGems from my home in Virginia for several years before we could cover the cost of colocation and stood up RubyForge. Its nice to look at the near history and think that this is all of history but it is not. Ruby Central has always been the stewards of RubyGems and then later, Bundler.
Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
So it’s okay for Matz to get HSBT to steal people’s open source projects? What if Matz sponsors stole Ruby from him? WTF?
> So it’s okay for Matz to get HSBT to steal people’s open source projects? Where is the theft? The projects were open source, they are still open source.
The software is open source, not the project.
The name is not for the taking. You can download the code, modify and release it, but you can't just claim ownership over a product.
Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler
#38Decentralized package hosting is the only way.
What languages do you use that have adopted this well?
I'm not counting something like C++ where there's effectively no "packages" to speak of.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Matz is a pillar. Remember "Matz is nice and so we are nice"? s/nice/nice and responsible/gc.
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why’s identity reveal had nothing to do with the Ruby community. A random bad actor posted his personal details in a blog post.
The Ruby community respected his pseudonymity. Some of us already knew his name.
Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler
#40Can anyone please explain this in simple terms for a relative outsider?