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Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by rich_kilmer »

joeldrapper wrote: post #9
CaptainOfCoit wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what? NPM wasn't originally owned by Microsoft, nor GitHub, but reality moves forward? As long as Matz is involved, I have a lot of faith things will get better, not worse, unless you have some strong indication of otherwise. If anything, because things will be nicer.

So it’s okay for Matz to get HSBT to steal people’s open source projects? What if Matz sponsors stole Ruby from him? WTF?

I was one of the originating authors of RubyGems along with Jim (RIP), Chad, David and Paul. I hosted RubyGems from my home for the entire community for many years. We never asked nor received anything for that. We wrote RubyGems for the Ruby community. Matz and the Ruby Core team is the right place for RubyGems. This is great news.

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by bhouston »

CaptainOfCoit wrote: post #7
joeldrapper wrote: post #4

These projects were not Ruby Central’s in the first place. They were stolen for Ruby Central by a Ruby Core insider, HSBT. This is horrible news. They were stolen from André Arko, Colby Swandale, David Rodríguez, Ellen, Josef Šimánek, Martin Emde and Samuel Giddins.

So what? NPM wasn't originally owned by Microsoft, nor GitHub, but reality moves forward? As long as Matz is involved, I have a lot of faith things will get better, not worse, unless you have some strong indication of otherwise. If anything, because things will be nicer.

> So what? NPM wasn't originally owned by Microsoft, nor GitHub, but reality moves forward?

NPM was a company and it was acquired and it was voluntary. I don't think you can compare it to this situation - this is more of a messy situation with everything open source collaborations, rather than having clear ownership in a single entity:

https://github.blog/news-insights/company-news/npm-is-joinin...

Or are you referring to the pre-2014 situation where NPM wasn't VC Funded, but in a more nebulous state? It didn't last that long.

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by mikemcquaid »

As someone who spent a bunch of time talking before and after this all went down with current and past RubyGems maintainers, RubyCentral employees, Gem.coop maintainers and Ruby Core folks: this seems like the best outcome that was actually attainable.

I've been working on Homebrew for 16 years and leading it for some proportion of that and this all "smells" like a more sustainable long-term solution than anything we've seen happen in the last year. Some proposals sounded nicer but were not going to be acceptable to one or more sides.

Ruby already provides a vendored version of RubyGems and (more recently) Bundler so this seems appropriate. It also separates the "running a web service" which has guaranteed hosting costs, requires on-call, etc. from "running an open source CLI/library" which has no guaranteed costs.

It will be interesting to see what the Gem.coop folks do now (disclaimer: I helped them with their governance process). If there's some competition for rubygems.org as a server implementation that feels like a good thing for the community overall.

Good luck to all involved on all sides.

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by sebiw »

rich_kilmer wrote: post #21
joeldrapper wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So it’s okay for Matz to get HSBT to steal people’s open source projects? What if Matz sponsors stole Ruby from him? WTF?

I was one of the originating authors of RubyGems along with Jim (RIP), Chad, David and Paul. I hosted RubyGems from my home for the entire community for many years. We never asked nor received anything for that. We wrote RubyGems for the Ruby community. Matz and the Ruby Core team is the right place for RubyGems. This is great news.

Thanks for sharing. RIP Jim, I miss him being part of the community.

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by the_mitsuhiko »

joeldrapper wrote: post #9
CaptainOfCoit wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what? NPM wasn't originally owned by Microsoft, nor GitHub, but reality moves forward? As long as Matz is involved, I have a lot of faith things will get better, not worse, unless you have some strong indication of otherwise. If anything, because things will be nicer.

So it’s okay for Matz to get HSBT to steal people’s open source projects? What if Matz sponsors stole Ruby from him? WTF?

> So it’s okay for Matz to get HSBT to steal people’s open source projects?

Where is the theft? The projects were open source, they are still open source.

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by lyu07282 »

dluan wrote: post #11

In the long run, having multiple sources like gem.coop is probably a safer and more robust solution. But for RubyGems specifically, the trust was fully lost, through several layers - maintainers, community members, sponsors, etc. There's still open questions that probably need to be resolved like the funding and data privacy stuff, but I think most folks in ruby land will be supportive of this.

This is just the tooling though, not "rubygems.org" which is still owned by a hostile entity (depending on where you sit on this), so not sure how this would restore any trust?
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