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Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

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Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

#31
I think many outside of EU dismiss this as an EU only thing and don't think much about it.

1. Have you ever texted someone from EU? You are now chat controlled too.

2. EU is pumping billions to foreign countries to promote EU values. How long until they condition this "help" with chat control?

Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

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post #11

I wonder if we can make a chat app that doesn't use encryption but hides your messages inside random words. The solution should be saved locally on your device.

> I wonder if we can make a chat app that doesn't use encryption but hides your messages inside random words.

This technique is called "chaffing and winnowing": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaffing_and_winnowing

Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

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How would chat control even work, with federated and decentralized networks? This is the reason you should not use signal. Moxie wants everyone to be in a closed loop, tightly controlled by his decisions. Matrix ftw!

You make those networks illegal to use. Just using them would be illegal, regardless of the contents of your communications.

In the end it's saying you can learn all the math you want except certain formulas. Just not those.

Good luck with that

Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

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I've been wondering how Chat Control's proponents settled on such a comically villainous name for their project. They didn't even bother being Orwellian. Skeletor could have have come up with "Chat Control"

The name was coined by a former MEP Patrick Breyer, one of the most important opponent of the law. EU's other proposal for mandating backdoors into devices is however from a group officially called "EU Going Dark" tho (you thought Chat Control was the only thing coming?).

https://netzpolitik.org/2024/going-dark-eu-states-push-for-a...

Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

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post #11

I wonder if we can make a chat app that doesn't use encryption but hides your messages inside random words. The solution should be saved locally on your device.

There isn't a technology solution for this. The solution is to realize the value Switzerland lost with Proton moving out of Switzerland, and what Germany could lose if Wire had to make a similar decision regarding their home in Germany. There's considerable value to having real effective security. These nations stand to lose that value.

Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

#36

I've been wondering how Chat Control's proponents settled on such a comically villainous name for their project. They didn't even bother being Orwellian. Skeletor could have have come up with "Chat Control"

The name was coined by a former MEP Patrick Breyer, one of the most important opponent of the law. EU's other proposal for mandating backdoors into devices is however from a group officially called "EU Going Dark" tho (you thought Chat Control was the only thing coming?). https://netzpolitik.org/2024/going-dark-eu-states-push-for-a...

That makes more sense

Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Deep down, Client Side Scanning that's what both want. Let's be absolutely real the CDU wants complete government access to all private communications on demand with essentially endless retention. They just aren't allowed yet.

Funny thing is, the last few times some guy attacked people, a few days later we could read or hear in the news updates that that person had already been known to be violent, and quite a few times we also learned that they were supposed to have been deported. Information does not seem to be the bottleneck at all! (Too) Many times, when we read about the person responsible for some sudden attack, everything needed to…

Don't fall for the meme that this is to protect "the people". There's a literally 1984 Quote about it:

> "The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness: only power, pure power"

Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

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post #22

I think a good way to shame politicians that push this type of erosion of civil liberties is to label it at gestapoware.

For some more recent crimes against society and humanity, I'd also compare it to Stasi. Plenty of people alive today who lived with that.

Around 1 in 30 people was secretly telling on their neighbors. After unification, it was presented as a dark chapter in German history that had finally come to an end. People would get to look into their own "file" to see what and how much had been written about their daily activities. I was a bit young at the time, but I do remember frequent discussions on TV about how to move on from this, and how to make sure it doesn't happen again.

And now we're talking about reading everyone's private messages on a scale that would be the Stasi's wet dream.

I wonder - if the Stasi had been presented as a legitimate way to fight CSAM - would that have been okay?

Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

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post #22

I think a good way to shame politicians that push this type of erosion of civil liberties is to label it at gestapoware.

Stasiware is more appropriate. Stasi (Staatssicherheit) was the administration in charge of spying each citizen of east Germany. It runs until 1989. So more people remember the opening of the archives in the 1990ies.

Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

#40

I've been wondering how Chat Control's proponents settled on such a comically villainous name for their project. They didn't even bother being Orwellian. Skeletor could have have come up with "Chat Control"

It’s the critics who named it Chat Control. The official name is Regulation to Prevent and Combat Child Sexual Abuse (Child Sexual Abuse Regulation, or CSAR). Let’s hope there will be enough Brutuses.
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