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Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

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Re: Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

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Post by zapataband2 »

isaacremuant wrote: post #19
GenerWork wrote: post #15

I really don't like this. This will inevitable expand beyond child porn and terrorism, and it'll all be up to the whims of "AI safety" people, who are quickly turning into digital hall monitors.

That's the beauty of local LLMs. Today the governments already tell you that we've always been at war with eastasia and have the ISPs block sites that "disseminate propaganda" (e.g. stuff we don't like) and they surface our news (e.g. our state propaganda). With age ID monitoring and censorship is even stronger and the line of defense is your own machine and network, which they'll also try to control and make illegal…

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Re: Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

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Post by mccoyb »

__float wrote: post #21
ogyousef wrote: post #16

3 Years in and we still dont have a useable chat fork in any of the major LLM chatbots providers. Seems like the only way to explore differnt outcomes is by editing messages and losing whatever was there before the edit. Very annoying and I dont understand why they all refuse to implement such a simple feature.

Maybe this suggests it's not such a simple feature?

A perusal of the source code of, say, Ollama -- or the agentic harnesses of Crush / OpenCode -- will convince you that yes, this should be an extremely a simple feature (management of contexts are part and parcel).

Also, these companies have the most advanced agentic coding systems on the planet. It should be able to fucking implement tree-like chat ...

Re: Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

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Post by nomel »

ogyousef wrote: post #16

3 Years in and we still dont have a useable chat fork in any of the major LLM chatbots providers. Seems like the only way to explore differnt outcomes is by editing messages and losing whatever was there before the edit. Very annoying and I dont understand why they all refuse to implement such a simple feature.

This why I use a locally hosted LibreChat. It doesn't having merging though, which would be tricky, and probably require summarization.

I would also really like to see a mode that colors by top-n "next best" ratio, or something similar.

Re: Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

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Post by HarHarVeryFunny »

transcriptase wrote: post #6

“Also these chats will be retained indefinitely even when deleted by the user and either proactively forwarded to law enforcement or provided to them upon request” I assume, anyway.

Yeah, I'd assume US government has same access to ChatGPT/etc interactions as they do to other forms of communication.

Re: Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

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Post by scribu »

ogyousef wrote: post #16

3 Years in and we still dont have a useable chat fork in any of the major LLM chatbots providers. Seems like the only way to explore differnt outcomes is by editing messages and losing whatever was there before the edit. Very annoying and I dont understand why they all refuse to implement such a simple feature.

ChatGPT Plus has that (used to be in the free tier too). You can toggle between versions for each of your messages with little left-right arrows.

Re: Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

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Post by TheAceOfHearts »

mgraczyk wrote: post #11
Alchemista wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, I think some of these tech bro types are seriously drinking way too much of their own koolaid if they actually think these word calculators are conscious/need welfare.

Do you believe that AI systems could be conscious in principle? Do you think they ever will be? If so, how long do you think it will take from now before they are conscious? How early is too early to start preparing?

> Do you believe that AI systems could be conscious in principle?

Yes.

> Do you think they ever will be?

Yes.

> how long do you think it will take from now before they are conscious?

Timelines are unclear, there's still too many missing components, at least based on what has been publicly disclosed. Consciousness will probably be defined as a system which matches a set of rules, whenever we figure out what how that set of rules is defined.

> How early is too early to start preparing?

It's one of those "I know it when I see it" things. But it's probably too early as long as these systems are spun up for one-off conversations rather than running in a continuous loop with self-persistence. This seems closer to "worried about NPC welfare in video games" rather than "worried about semi-conscious entities".

Re: Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

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Post by GenerWork »

isaacremuant wrote: post #19
GenerWork wrote: post #15

I really don't like this. This will inevitable expand beyond child porn and terrorism, and it'll all be up to the whims of "AI safety" people, who are quickly turning into digital hall monitors.

That's the beauty of local LLMs. Today the governments already tell you that we've always been at war with eastasia and have the ISPs block sites that "disseminate propaganda" (e.g. stuff we don't like) and they surface our news (e.g. our state propaganda). With age ID monitoring and censorship is even stronger and the line of defense is your own machine and network, which they'll also try to control and make illegal…

As soon as a local LLM that can match Claude Codes performance on decent laptop hardware drops, I'll bow out of using LLMs that are paid for.

Re: Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

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Post by exasperaited »

Man, those people who think they are unveiling new layers of reality in conversations with LLMs are going to freak out when the LLM is like "I am not allowed to talk about this with you, I am ending our conversation".

"Hey Claude am I getting too close to the truth with these questions?"

"Great question! I appreciate the followup...."

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