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Re: Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

#21

3 Years in and we still dont have a useable chat fork in any of the major LLM chatbots providers. Seems like the only way to explore differnt outcomes is by editing messages and losing whatever was there before the edit. Very annoying and I dont understand why they all refuse to implement such a simple feature.

Maybe this suggests it's not such a simple feature?

Re: Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

#22
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, I think some of these tech bro types are seriously drinking way too much of their own koolaid if they actually think these word calculators are conscious/need welfare.

More cynically, they don't believe it in the least but it's great marketing, and quietly suggests unbounded technical abilities.

I absolutely believe that's the origin of the hype and that the doomsayers are playing the same part, knowingly (exaggerating the capability to get eyeballs) but there are certainly true believers out there.

It's pretty plain to see that the financial incentive on both sides of this coin is to exaggerate the current capability and unrealistically extrapolate.

Re: Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

#23

3 Years in and we still dont have a useable chat fork in any of the major LLM chatbots providers. Seems like the only way to explore differnt outcomes is by editing messages and losing whatever was there before the edit. Very annoying and I dont understand why they all refuse to implement such a simple feature.

Google AI Studio allows you to branch from a point in any conversation

Re: Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

#24

3 Years in and we still dont have a useable chat fork in any of the major LLM chatbots providers. Seems like the only way to explore differnt outcomes is by editing messages and losing whatever was there before the edit. Very annoying and I dont understand why they all refuse to implement such a simple feature.

Is it simple? Maintaining context seems extremely difficult with LLMs.

Re: Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

#25
Anthropic hired their first AI Welfare person in late 2024.

Here's an article about a paper that came out around the same time https://www.transformernews.ai/p/ai-welfare-paper

Here's the paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2411.00986

> In this report, we argue that there is a realistic possibility that some AI systems will be conscious and/or robustly agentic in the near future.

Our work on AI is like the classic tale of Frankenstein's monster. We want AI to fit into society, however if we mistreat it, it may turn around and take revenge on us. Mary Shelley wrote Frankenstein in 1818! So the concepts behind "AI Welfare" have been around for at least 2 centuries now.

Re: Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

#26
post #21

3 Years in and we still dont have a useable chat fork in any of the major LLM chatbots providers. Seems like the only way to explore differnt outcomes is by editing messages and losing whatever was there before the edit. Very annoying and I dont understand why they all refuse to implement such a simple feature.

Maybe this suggests it's not such a simple feature?

LM Studio has this feature for local models and it works just fine.

Re: Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

#28
when I was playing around with LLMs to vibe code web ports of classic games, all of them would repeatedly error out any time they encountered code that dealt with explosions/bombs/grenades/guns/death/drowning/etc

The one I settled on using stopped working completely, for anything. A human must have reviewed it and flagged my account as some form of safe, I haven't seen a single error since.

Re: Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

#29
Good marketing, but also possibly the start of the conversation on model welfare?

There are a lot of cynical comments here, but I think there are people at Anthropic who believe that at some point their models will develop consciousness and, naturally, they want to explore what that means.

Re: Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

#30
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, I think some of these tech bro types are seriously drinking way too much of their own koolaid if they actually think these word calculators are conscious/need welfare.

More cynically, they don't believe it in the least but it's great marketing, and quietly suggests unbounded technical abilities.

It also provides unlimited conference as well as thinktank and future startup opportunities.
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