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Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by imp0cat »

rconti wrote: post #22

Had to look up "yuppie button" to figure out what they were on about. Sounds like a fun fellow. Lights up all of the lights on the back of the car for funsies. Oh they're all DOT-approved, so it's probably a good idea. Definitely a safety feature. Their manifesto makes them totally believe that everyone else on the road is the problem. https://techno-fandom.org/~hobbit/cars/yb/

    [...] pulling this wouldn't let handsfree Bluetooth phone stuff work either, but I've never had much need for that [...]
Sounds like a fun fellow indeed.

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by shepherdjerred »

rconti wrote: post #22

Had to look up "yuppie button" to figure out what they were on about. Sounds like a fun fellow. Lights up all of the lights on the back of the car for funsies. Oh they're all DOT-approved, so it's probably a good idea. Definitely a safety feature. Their manifesto makes them totally believe that everyone else on the road is the problem. https://techno-fandom.org/~hobbit/cars/yb/

The techno fandom page is actually quite measured and reasonable. It's not a crazy idea to prevent dangerous behavior of those behind you.

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by pabs3 »

achierius wrote: post #24
esalman wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no way they're going to keep a modular car functioning for years without relying on frequent software updates.

Concretely, why not? If you don't get updates, there's nothing to break the thing -- and if you don't have a network connection, you don't need the security updates.

You might need security updates for security systems, like immobilisers, keyless entry etc.

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by [deleted] »

achierius wrote: post #24
esalman wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no way they're going to keep a modular car functioning for years without relying on frequent software updates.

Concretely, why not? If you don't get updates, there's nothing to break the thing -- and if you don't have a network connection, you don't need the security updates.

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Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by fc417fc802 »

zdw wrote: post #2

I'm fearing the day when my quite old ICE car dies and I end up in a situation where the best option is a newer car that is a computer on wheels running software that I know will stop getting updates very quickly. Of all the new cars ideas I've seen recently, only the Slate mini-truck seems to be taking a minimalist approach, with no fancy head unit or navigation system.

I'm not really worried about a lack of updates to an embedded device provided that it isn't network connected. To me the root of the issue, and also a far more concerning problem in and of itself, is that from what I understand modern vehicles are connected to the mobile network and phone home.

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by darthrupert »

zdw wrote: post #2

I'm fearing the day when my quite old ICE car dies and I end up in a situation where the best option is a newer car that is a computer on wheels running software that I know will stop getting updates very quickly. Of all the new cars ideas I've seen recently, only the Slate mini-truck seems to be taking a minimalist approach, with no fancy head unit or navigation system.

For what it's worth, the first Tesla model that ever got software upgrades is still getting them. That's the Model S from 2012.

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by fc417fc802 »

pabs3 wrote: post #33
achierius wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Concretely, why not? If you don't get updates, there's nothing to break the thing -- and if you don't have a network connection, you don't need the security updates.

You might need security updates for security systems, like immobilisers, keyless entry etc.

I'm happy to manually apply updates for my immobilizer as necessary. Keyless entry is already broken (recent front page) and can't be fixed via update AFAIK at least without leaving behind all current fobs. Given that it's still using a proprietary encryption scheme from the mid 80s it doesn't seem the manufacturers were particularly concerned about security to begin with.

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by bestham »

flomo wrote: post #25
layoric wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same, early 2010s IMO seems to be the point where the industry really started to shift. There are some good cars from before this time, but keep them running past the 2030s will be a challenge.

This problem solved itself on my car because it only has a 3G modem.

On an adjacent theme there has been a large debate in Sweden if a car that has mandated automatic eCall over 2G or 3G is faulty and thus not roadworthy if the 2G and 3G networks are turned off. The eCall feature was introduced broadly in 2018. It still uses modem sounds over a voice phone call to relay car emergency status and position. New solutions for packet only networks (4g and 5G) have been standardised but are not retrofitted to older cars.

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by 01HNNWZ0MV43FF »

shepherdjerred wrote: post #32
rconti wrote: post #22

Had to look up "yuppie button" to figure out what they were on about. Sounds like a fun fellow. Lights up all of the lights on the back of the car for funsies. Oh they're all DOT-approved, so it's probably a good idea. Definitely a safety feature. Their manifesto makes them totally believe that everyone else on the road is the problem. https://techno-fandom.org/~hobbit/cars/yb/

The techno fandom page is actually quite measured and reasonable. It's not a crazy idea to prevent dangerous behavior of those behind you.

If someone is tailgating me I just slow down gradually until they get mad and pass

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by 01HNNWZ0MV43FF »

EvanAnderson wrote: post #23

I am all for removing this needless communication the manufacturers are equipping cars with now, but between your cell phone associating with towers, the Flock cameras that every municipality has eagerly deployed, the repo bounty people driving parking lots with LPRs, and LEOs with on-car LPRs you're still being tracked. Still, no reason to make it easier.

It can all be fought. https://deflock.me/

I keep my phone in Airplane Mode. Can't do a ton about private ALPRs except put peanut butter on them or whatever when you see em

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