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Re: Compressing Icelandic name declension patterns into a 3.27 kB trie

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Post by sgarland »

sneak wrote: post #25
necovek wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not really about the culture anymore. Software that requires maintenance — and most does — has a continuous development cost. As such, subscription is the most natural way to cover it. On the other hand, we have software which has low maintenance cost, but sold for peanuts ($0-$10) in small quantities, so authors try to introduce alternative revenue streams. As in, it's fair to pay continuously (subscription) fo…

Software sold today does not require maintenance. Software to work in the future requires maintenance. I am not buying future software. I am buying today software. Increasingly I am not buying software at all.

On the contrary, software today is so absurdly buggy that it often does require maintenance to work.

Re: Compressing Icelandic name declension patterns into a 3.27 kB trie

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Post by charcircuit »

sneak wrote: post #25
necovek wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not really about the culture anymore. Software that requires maintenance — and most does — has a continuous development cost. As such, subscription is the most natural way to cover it. On the other hand, we have software which has low maintenance cost, but sold for peanuts ($0-$10) in small quantities, so authors try to introduce alternative revenue streams. As in, it's fair to pay continuously (subscription) fo…

Software sold today does not require maintenance. Software to work in the future requires maintenance. I am not buying future software. I am buying today software. Increasingly I am not buying software at all.

Even ignoring security, bug fixes, new features, etc it is also not fair that you can get value from the app every month, but the developer doesn't get to capture a reward for any of this value. Having people pay monthly for value they get monthly seems reasonable.

Re: Compressing Icelandic name declension patterns into a 3.27 kB trie

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Post by perching_aix »

dmit wrote: post #29
radpanda wrote: post #23

> There are, in fact, 88 approved Icelandic names with this exact pattern of declension, and they all end with “dur”, “tur” or “ður”. … > But that quickly breaks down. There are other names ending with “ður” or “dur” that follow a different pattern of declension My “everything should be completely orderly” comp-sci brain is always triggered by these almost trivial problems that end up being much more interesting. Is…

> Is the suffix pattern based on the pronunciation of the syllable(s) before the suffix? Careful, this is how you fall down the Are Dependent Types The Answer?? hole.

Not sure what that's supposed to mean, but if Icelandic is anything like my native language in this, then it is indeed a pronunciation based thing. Which should make sense, since languages are (historically) spoken first, written second.

Re: Compressing Icelandic name declension patterns into a 3.27 kB trie

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Post by sgarland »

mpascale00 wrote: post #17
netsharc wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Grandfather talks about classical Windows software. On the Play Store this app says "Contains ads - In-app purchases". Ah, as a cheap bastard, I hate how software was pay once back then, and for this one I'm just going to ask you what's the monthly subscription price?

This comes up in so many threads here... How can we change the culture of subscriptions back to pay once???

Given how profitable it is, I doubt it’ll be changed.

That said, I very much like Codeweavers’ approach [0], which IMO is the modern equivalent to purchasing software on a physical medium: you buy it, you can re-download it as many times as you’d like, install it on as many machines as you’d like (single-user usage only), and you get 1 year of updates and support. After that, you can still keep using it indefinitely, but you don’t get updates or paid support. You get a discount if you renew before expiry. They also have a lifetime option which, so far, they’ve not indicated they’re going to change.

I have no affiliation with them, I just think it’s a good product, and a good licensing / sales model.

[0]: https://www.codeweavers.com/store

Re: Compressing Icelandic name declension patterns into a 3.27 kB trie

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Post by Rendello »

treetalker wrote: post #3

I remember that when I was first learning Spanish in high school, I found a piece of (Windows) software that pelted you with a series of pairs of an infinitive and a tense, and you had to conjugate the infinitive accordingly. (Spanish conjugation typically changes the end of the word; irregular verbs tend to involve stem changes). It was fantastic practice and really ingrained the rules; I became a whiz at it. When I…

There's some Anki (flashcard) decks that use the "KOFI" method:

> KOFI (Konjugation First) is the name I've given to a provocative language-learning approach I've created: to learn all the forms of a language's conjugation before even starting to formally study the language

I used the French one, years after I learned French, because my conjugation was abysmal. You can get by using basic tenses or wrong tenses, and people will understand you, but it's not what you want. The KOFI method is supposed to teach you all the conjugation patterns in a matter of months before learning the language, I'd like to give it a try in-earnest some day for a new language. My interest in French has waned so I didn't stick with it.

https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1131659186

Re: Compressing Icelandic name declension patterns into a 3.27 kB trie

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Post by kiicia »

alucardo wrote: post #11

Hmm, is this lib GDPR compliant?

GDPR is about accountability for handling identifiers like full name of actual person. Using parts of names, where each part does not identify any particular person, in generalized list like described here does not fall under GDPR.

Re: Compressing Icelandic name declension patterns into a 3.27 kB trie

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Post by dmit »

perching_aix wrote: post #33
dmit wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is the suffix pattern based on the pronunciation of the syllable(s) before the suffix? Careful, this is how you fall down the Are Dependent Types The Answer?? hole.

Not sure what that's supposed to mean, but if Icelandic is anything like my native language in this, then it is indeed a pronunciation based thing. Which should make sense, since languages are (historically) spoken first, written second.

Heheh, it was mostly a reference to my [and mostly others'!] experiments with encoding human languages in a programming language. There are some pretty neat ideas there to explore, like the difference between Subject-Object-Verb (SOV) and Object-Subject-Verb. Or postfix languages (e.g. Forth) mapping to some human languages.

In this particular example, having a subsequent part of an expression rely on prior parts would usually be accomplished at runtime in most languages. But some (like Idris) might allow you to encode the rules in the type system. Thus the rabbit hole.

Re: Compressing Icelandic name declension patterns into a 3.27 kB trie

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Post by perching_aix »

dmit wrote: post #37
perching_aix wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure what that's supposed to mean, but if Icelandic is anything like my native language in this, then it is indeed a pronunciation based thing. Which should make sense, since languages are (historically) spoken first, written second.

Heheh, it was mostly a reference to my [and mostly others'!] experiments with encoding human languages in a programming language. There are some pretty neat ideas there to explore, like the difference between Subject-Object-Verb (SOV) and Object-Subject-Verb. Or postfix languages (e.g. Forth) mapping to some human languages. In this particular example, having a subsequent part of an expression rely on prior parts wou…

Ah okay. That's a journey I'm currently also preparing to embark on, though from the other direction: I'm trying to generate "natural" language from program code. I already know it's pretty hopeless, but increasingly I feel like it's not really a choice anyhow, so I may as well finally have a go at it. Let's see :)

Re: Compressing Icelandic name declension patterns into a 3.27 kB trie

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Post by dmit »

perching_aix wrote: post #38
dmit wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heheh, it was mostly a reference to my [and mostly others'!] experiments with encoding human languages in a programming language. There are some pretty neat ideas there to explore, like the difference between Subject-Object-Verb (SOV) and Object-Subject-Verb. Or postfix languages (e.g. Forth) mapping to some human languages. In this particular example, having a subsequent part of an expression rely on prior parts wou…

Ah okay. That's a journey I'm currently also preparing to embark on, though from the other direction: I'm trying to generate "natural" language from program code. I already know it's pretty hopeless, but increasingly I feel like it's not really a choice anyhow, so I may as well finally have a go at it. Let's see :)

Godspeed!

Re: Compressing Icelandic name declension patterns into a 3.27 kB trie

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Post by shagie »

alucardo wrote: post #11

Hmm, is this lib GDPR compliant?

There are a relatively finite number of Icelandic names. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_Naming_Committee

> A name not already on the official list of approved names must be submitted to the naming committee for approval. A new name is considered for its compatibility with Icelandic tradition and for the likelihood that it might cause the bearer embarrassment. Under Article 5 of the Personal Names Act, names must be compatible with Icelandic grammar (in which all nouns, including proper names, have grammatical gender and change their forms in an orderly fashion according to the language's case system).

A database of those names is no more interesting or personal than a dictionary or list of names ( https://www.insee.fr/en/statistiques/6536067 ) in another language... which is where they got the data.

> Iceland has a publicly run institution, Árnastofnun, that manages the Database of Icelandic Morphology (DIM). The database was created, amongst other reasons, to support Icelandic language technology.

https://bin.arnastofnun.is/DMII/aboutDMII/

There is no more personal information being presented than saying John or providing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_(given_name) or https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=John

John may be your given name, but that data isn't personal data. One of the numbers 1969, 1978, 1987, 1996 might be your birth year... but https://oeis.org/A101039 isn't personal information either. Combining John with Smith and 1978 as the year of someone's birth... now you've got personal information that would be covered by the GDPR.

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