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Bill Atkinson's psychedelic user interface

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Re: Bill Atkinson's psychedelic user interface

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I have not used 5-meo, but for n,n DMT the vape is without a doubt the most convenient method.

I've done it a few times. Unlike DMT, you don't have to vaporize it. It's active intranasally and well as buccally/sublingually. Effects-wise, it feels roughly identical to DMT but with a longer duration.

I found it significantly less visual. As in, about as immersive, but somewhat lacking visual depth/detail to things. But everyone's different anyway.

Re: Bill Atkinson's psychedelic user interface

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post #5

thinking that our own judgement is better than a doctor judgement, supported by a vast community and shared knowledge, is epistemically interesting. Beware that I'm not saying that doctors, or the scientific community, can't be wrong, everyone can be wrong, even ourselves. Personally, I'd rather have a proper doctor prescribe me said medicine than take it myself.

After seeing someone I love tortured for weeks at a hospital primarily because every one of the doctors was convinced they knew better than her -- I'm very much on the 'we can do just fine on our own' train. Do some research, use good sources, let docs stop you from bleeding out if it comes to that.

Re: Bill Atkinson's psychedelic user interface

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post #5

thinking that our own judgement is better than a doctor judgement, supported by a vast community and shared knowledge, is epistemically interesting. Beware that I'm not saying that doctors, or the scientific community, can't be wrong, everyone can be wrong, even ourselves. Personally, I'd rather have a proper doctor prescribe me said medicine than take it myself.

> thinking that our own judgement is better than a doctor judgement, supported by a vast community and shared knowledge, is epistemically interesting.

The medical community is concerned with physical health, mental health, ect.

The Psychedelic community is more like a religion; it is "vast" and there is a lot of "shared knowledge" if you go looking. The thing is, western medicine's purpose really isn't to do the kind of thing that psychedelics are for.

It's probably better not to conflate the two communities, because they use drugs for very different purposes.

A different way to say it: Don't confuse the pharmacy and the liquor store.

Re: Bill Atkinson's psychedelic user interface

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I know they will before that I'm curious in what demographic/location context you're in to say that. As a teen I wasn't aware of anyone in my social circles experimenting with drugs and would estimate usage to be <10% and from very particular kinds of people.

Teenagers (in the US) before they go to college pretty typically at least try weed and alcohol at some point. Whether or not they tell their parents is a different story entirely

I was on a student exchange in the US at age ~15 and was offered both weed and alcohol. Funnily enough, weed seemed to be easier to get since dealers don't care about your age. For alcohol you needed to find someone older than 21 who'd buy it for you.

Re: Bill Atkinson's psychedelic user interface

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post #5

thinking that our own judgement is better than a doctor judgement, supported by a vast community and shared knowledge, is epistemically interesting. Beware that I'm not saying that doctors, or the scientific community, can't be wrong, everyone can be wrong, even ourselves. Personally, I'd rather have a proper doctor prescribe me said medicine than take it myself.

I agree with you for the most part. But the same medical establishment that pumped opioids everywhere, demonized fat instead of sugar, claimed tobacco was fine, overprescribed mental health drugs, etc is perhaps not a slam-dunk example of why we should trust the "expert consensus" on emerging treatments and techniques.

Compounding the issue is the eye-rolling hypocrisy that in the so-called "Land of the Free", a healthcare system controlled by the gatekeepers of big pharma and for-profit companies gets a blind pass... but putting certain plants (that you can grow yourself) into your own body is considered a serious felony...?

There's at least a sliver of daylight here that mean YMMV (which I'm sure you and I would agree on) - but if you lack the freedom to choose anyways, then it doesn't matter. And the people who decide for you are clearly part of a system that is compromised by regulatory capture, political polarization, and the insatiable greed of American healthcare.

Re: Bill Atkinson's psychedelic user interface

#40

Am I the only person who read the article like this: "blah blah BOTH BILL ATKINSON AND STEVE JOBS DIED FROM PANCREATIC CANCER blah blah"?

Steve Jobs tried to treat his cancer by eating apples and ignoring the diagnosis until it was too late… not sure if that’s really connected to psychedelics
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