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Agenda Behind the Facial Recognition Tech Used by ICE and the FBI Revealed

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Re: Agenda Behind the Facial Recognition Tech Used by ICE and the FBI Revealed

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Post by t-3 »

morkalork wrote: post #25
jokellum wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry, like the other comment said you're still both-sides-ing. States / cities (democrat or republican) sent riot police, which is something they have always done. How they handled protests is worth criticism e.g. I don't like that they use curfews to suddenly make protesters breaking the law. I don't like the use of tear gas on otherwise peaceful protestors. As a note, these are state / city officials not feder…

I'm going to need a shower after this but Gitmo, extraordinary rendition, and warrantless mass surveillance were still a thing under Obama, no? Still, not even comparable to what we're witnessing now.

Yep. Trump's taken it to a new level by targeting American citizens while they're physically in the USA, and while immigration courts were always a bad joke he's even skipping the kangaroo court and just shipping people off without even a pretense of due process or legal justification. Rather than an incremental step forward on the path of authoritarianism, this administration has taken a flying leap out the frog-boiling pot, straight into the inferno.

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Post by generalizations »

malcolmgreaves wrote: post #30
generalizations wrote: post #17

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The trick is to call them something else. The January 6 protesters come to mind, but since they actually threatened the lawmakers - not just random proles - they aren't called "protesters". Conversely, make sure the BLM folks are definitely not called rioters, even if you have to call them "fiery but peaceful" protestors.

Insurrectionists are not protestors.

> The trick is to call them something else

If it's politically expedient, that is. For one thing, they were far less violent than the BLM protesters. Yet one group is called 'protestors' and the other 'insurrectionists'.

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Post by sofixa »

briandear wrote: post #14
bitwize wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they're selling surveillance tech to law enforcement (especially American law enforcement, who will deploy it disproportionately against marginalized groups), they're fascists. Simple as.

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> A big european country’s government just arrested a popular politician to prevent her from running for president using some silly charges that could have been used against any politician

Silly charges being blatant stealing of public money with obvious and well visible for anyone to see proof? Yes, a bunch of French politicians have been sued for corruption and stealing public money, and they have all received bans from pursuing office and/or house arrest/prison sentence. Do you have anything to say that invalidates the proven in court evidence? It has been known and proven for years she used her EU MEP budget (that was for her role as an MEP) to pay for personal and party expenses. Neither her nor her party hid it.

> Another European country cancelled an election because a candidate was likely to win they the people in power didn’t like.

No, because he obviously violated election law by lying on his financial declaration (declared campaign funding of 0, yet had tons of paid ads for him). Again, do you have anything to say against the proven in court crimes or are you again just ignoring reality to sell a narrative.

> They even revoke citizenships — then deport the people. Is France fascist

Of terrorists, if they have another citizenship, yes. All countries do this.

> Donald Trump is trying to reduce the size and scope of the U.S. government and reduce regulation — literally the opposite of fascism

I think nobody is calling that part fascism. The failed coup attempt, ignoring laws and courts to rule by decree, sending random people with no due process to detention camps, including abroad, requesting bribes. That part is clear cut fascism.

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Post by sudoshred »

onemoresoop wrote: post #21
hayst4ck wrote: post #6

This article is really worth a read and talks about the much deeper mechanics and institutional power behind what is happening now. Clearview had compiled a massive biometric database that would eventually contain billions of images the company scraped off the internet and social media without the knowledge of the platforms or their users. Its AI analyzed these images, creating a “faceprint” for every individual. The…

I think we’re entering a dystopian era…

At what point would you be certain?

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Post by blix »

happytoexplain wrote: post #12
evanjrowley wrote: post #2

So a journalist at Mother Jones is shocked, but did anyone here on HN not predict this strategy long before Trump got his 2nd term?

What does this accomplish? I genuinely don't understand why this fallacy is so common , even trying to come at it from a psychology perspective. Something being shocking is not the same as something being unforeseeable. Being shocked by shocking behavior doesn't make you some kind of idiot. Acting as if having emotions about immoral behavior is beneath you is self-aggrandizing. I'm sorry for my tone, but I'm sick of…

"Shocking" carries a meaning of a being sudden, surprising, or startling.

It's this aspect that is being challenged, not the emotional reaction.

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Post by acidmath »

onemoresoop wrote: post #21
hayst4ck wrote: post #6

This article is really worth a read and talks about the much deeper mechanics and institutional power behind what is happening now. Clearview had compiled a massive biometric database that would eventually contain billions of images the company scraped off the internet and social media without the knowledge of the platforms or their users. Its AI analyzed these images, creating a “faceprint” for every individual. The…

I think we’re entering a dystopian era…

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Post by boothby »

notfed wrote: post #8
evanjrowley wrote: post #2

So a journalist at Mother Jones is shocked, but did anyone here on HN not predict this strategy long before Trump got his 2nd term?

Sadly this prediction could have been generalized to the US executive branch regardless of the most recent election. It's more of the same from what we've seen in the past, Democrat and Republican leader alike.

Not really. Until recently, ClearView has been used by local police departments, which are not strongly aligned with both sides of the political spectrum. Likewise, DHS and TSA are not strongly aligned with both sides of the political spectrum. ClearView, which the article is about, is only strongly aligned with one side of the political spectrum and notably uses political misalignment as a warning sign.

Whether or not this could have happened is completely irrelevant. This is happening. My comment here, linked to my real name, has the potential to get me put on a list of political agitators. My grandpa wore a red triangle in Soldau, and while I'm not eager to do the same, nor will I be silent. American citizens are being deported on suspicion of being immigrants today. Both-siding this is exceptionally dishonest. The article is about the actual technology being employed by today's actual government.

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Post by onemoresoop »

sudoshred wrote: post #35
onemoresoop wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we’re entering a dystopian era…

At what point would you be certain?

Let's see how it plays out first. The intent is clear though

A reversal is possible.

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