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Re: Shared DNA in Music

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Post by Ylpertnodi »

kaeruct wrote: post #26
footlose_3815 wrote: post #21

Why is it "Shared DNA" if all rappers do is sample and totally rip-off music (Logos, artist names etc) before them? The concept of "DNA" with music goes much deeper than some lucky nobody who sampled someone's life work so they could pollute it with lowest common denominator poetry and a Roland Drum Machine. I submit that oogling over people who steal music by sampling is not that deep, and there's deeper methods of…

Some sampling might be lazy, but there's plenty of impressive producers which take the art to the next level. Some suggestions you can sample: DJ Shadow, J Dilla, Madlib, The Avalanches, Statik Selektah. And as a bonus, an artist definitely not hip hop which makes beautiful use of sampling is Jens Lekman. I will be charitable even though you called rap "lowest common denominator" poetry. If you are genuinely interest…

I use the Roland 505ii looper, and do massive 'samples' - whole verses etc, great for song analysis, practice etc. If I could incorporate something into a hit song, I'd happily pay the royalties to the 'samplee'. I rather suspect the early days of sampling/ hip hop etc, it was the "how do we get paid...they're ripping us off" panic that created issues. Now, the money-flow has been standardised, and sped up, there are considerably less problems. Oh, my favourite example of extreme sampling - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJYeSpyRpRA&list=PLXa6-G1Tk7...

Re: Shared DNA in Music

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Post by emmelaich »

footlose_3815 wrote: post #21

Why is it "Shared DNA" if all rappers do is sample and totally rip-off music (Logos, artist names etc) before them? The concept of "DNA" with music goes much deeper than some lucky nobody who sampled someone's life work so they could pollute it with lowest common denominator poetry and a Roland Drum Machine. I submit that oogling over people who steal music by sampling is not that deep, and there's deeper methods of…

The very first rap/hip-hop song, Rapper's Delight is itself ... inspired by previous a song or two.

But that's ok, since they absolutely added improvements.

Re: Shared DNA in Music

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Post by KurSix »

Boogie_Man wrote: post #15

I once had the realization that a riff from Metallica's "The Four Horseman" was the same as that from Tom Petty's "Last Dance With Mary Jane" except, as I learned several years after the realization, it is actually the riff from "Sweet Home Alabama" which was introduced in a session as a joke by the guitarist to make fun of the drummer for having narrow musical knowledge. He was correct in his assumption that the dru…

Like a game of telephone but with guitar riffs

Re: Shared DNA in Music

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Post by KurSix »

999900000999 wrote: post #28

What a cool project. I really think music is one of our greatest examples of shared heritage. My only comment is I think this would of benefited from some interviews or commentary by actual musicians. It felt really really surface level.

Music cuts across time, geography, and culture in a way very few things do. Even when artists are worlds apart, they end up building on the same rhythms, motifs, or emotions

Re: Shared DNA in Music

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Post by jl6 »

What this mostly seems to demonstrate is that hip-pop is endlessly derivative. That might be a consequence of their data source:

> To build this project, we used the dataset of hundreds of thousands of songs on Genius.com accessible through their API, over 200,000 of which were “connected” in some way by sample, interpolation, cover, or remix.

Genres where sampling is openly and explicitly acknowledged are going to be massively over-represented. It would be cool build a relationship network using feature extraction on the actual audio.

Re: Shared DNA in Music

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Post by n4r9 »

Boogie_Man wrote: post #15

I once had the realization that a riff from Metallica's "The Four Horseman" was the same as that from Tom Petty's "Last Dance With Mary Jane" except, as I learned several years after the realization, it is actually the riff from "Sweet Home Alabama" which was introduced in a session as a joke by the guitarist to make fun of the drummer for having narrow musical knowledge. He was correct in his assumption that the dru…

This is surprisingly common with Metallica for some reason. Could just be that they have so many tracks that statistically there's bound to be some overlaps.

Another example is "Welcome Home (Sanitarium)": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiIc0HuJ78Q

Whose intro sounds the same as "Rainbow Warrior" by Bleak House, released 5-6 years earlier: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zowid7KAmnM

Re: Shared DNA in Music

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Post by Agraillo »

jl6 wrote: post #35

What this mostly seems to demonstrate is that hip-pop is endlessly derivative. That might be a consequence of their data source: > To build this project, we used the dataset of hundreds of thousands of songs on Genius.com accessible through their API, over 200,000 of which were “connected” in some way by sample, interpolation, cover, or remix. Genres where sampling is openly and explicitly acknowledged are going to b…

I wonder whether a possible audio similarities analyzer would be capable of detecting influences described by the creators themselves. For example, in a podcast, Tal Bachman said that making his most famous hit "She's So High" started when he heard the chorus of "If It Makes You Happy" by Sheryl Crow in a supermarket. After that revelation I now can not unhear it and the choruses of those songs are connected in my brain. But the connection is not that obvious.

Re: Shared DNA in Music

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Post by lawgimenez »

kaeruct wrote: post #26
footlose_3815 wrote: post #21

Why is it "Shared DNA" if all rappers do is sample and totally rip-off music (Logos, artist names etc) before them? The concept of "DNA" with music goes much deeper than some lucky nobody who sampled someone's life work so they could pollute it with lowest common denominator poetry and a Roland Drum Machine. I submit that oogling over people who steal music by sampling is not that deep, and there's deeper methods of…

Some sampling might be lazy, but there's plenty of impressive producers which take the art to the next level. Some suggestions you can sample: DJ Shadow, J Dilla, Madlib, The Avalanches, Statik Selektah. And as a bonus, an artist definitely not hip hop which makes beautiful use of sampling is Jens Lekman. I will be charitable even though you called rap "lowest common denominator" poetry. If you are genuinely interest…

May I add some awesome producers: Sounwave, DJ Dahi, The Alchemist, Kanye West, DJ Premier, 9th Wonder

Re: Shared DNA in Music

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Post by yapyap »

wow this is such SUCH a neat project, I never realized the music game was this incestuous (not necessarily in a bad way).

One tiny tip though, when you have the buttons in the text to play the songs, the green buttons, you don’t really know how long that’ll go on for so a playtime indicator just by having the lightgreen button fill with dark green over time from left to right, 0 at the start 100 at the end would be great.

All in all really neat!

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