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Re: Is Apple Losing Its Shine After Steve Jobs?

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Post by dfc » Sat, Aug 04, 2012, 3:19 AM UTC

jmduke wrote: post #24

jasonkolb wrote: post #10

They haven't had a product that people lust after in a long time. In fact, with other tablets now viable competitors, I'd say their laptops are their most lust-inducing product out there. I just don't know how they can regain that level of desirability without disrupting another vertical. Or if they make some truly radical hardware innovations, such that it is visible and will make it obvious that you are using an Ap…

The iPad was released less than three years ago. What's your definition of 'a long time'?

Why do you assume that the problem is the definition of "long time" and not the definition of "lust after." It seems that you think everyone is lusting after the iPad? I know I am not lusting after the iPad, but I'm not a mac lover. The iPad has certainly not matched the lust inducing levels of the iphone or ipod or osx.

Re: Is Apple Losing Its Shine After Steve Jobs?

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Post by dfc » Sat, Aug 04, 2012, 3:21 AM UTC

jpxxx wrote: post #29

So tedious. Apple is extremely well positioned in front of almost every mass trend happening in consumer electronics. They are sitting on a tenth of a trillion dollars in cash. They have content deals with more companies in more places than almost anyone else on Earth. They are ending investment in unfruitful markets. They have a rapidly converging consumer platform that has essentially no identifiable competitive we…

Stitched leatherette Contacts?

Re: Is Apple Losing Its Shine After Steve Jobs?

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Post by ricardobeat » Sat, Aug 04, 2012, 3:23 AM UTC

jasonkolb wrote: post #10

They haven't had a product that people lust after in a long time. In fact, with other tablets now viable competitors, I'd say their laptops are their most lust-inducing product out there. I just don't know how they can regain that level of desirability without disrupting another vertical. Or if they make some truly radical hardware innovations, such that it is visible and will make it obvious that you are using an Ap…

You mean like the the iPhone 4 in 2010, the iPad 3 earlier in the year, or the Retina Macbook a couple weeks ago? Sure, nobody lusted after those.

Re: Is Apple Losing Its Shine After Steve Jobs?

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Post by ricardobeat » Sat, Aug 04, 2012, 3:24 AM UTC

dfc wrote: post #32

jpxxx wrote: post #29

So tedious. Apple is extremely well positioned in front of almost every mass trend happening in consumer electronics. They are sitting on a tenth of a trillion dollars in cash. They have content deals with more companies in more places than almost anyone else on Earth. They are ending investment in unfruitful markets. They have a rapidly converging consumer platform that has essentially no identifiable competitive we…

Stitched leatherette Contacts?

That's the most worrisome of the list.

Re: Is Apple Losing Its Shine After Steve Jobs?

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Post by jpxxx » Sat, Aug 04, 2012, 3:26 AM UTC

dfc wrote: post #32

jpxxx wrote: post #29

So tedious. Apple is extremely well positioned in front of almost every mass trend happening in consumer electronics. They are sitting on a tenth of a trillion dollars in cash. They have content deals with more companies in more places than almost anyone else on Earth. They are ending investment in unfruitful markets. They have a rapidly converging consumer platform that has essentially no identifiable competitive we…

Stitched leatherette Contacts?

An evolving trend in OS X and iOS is to rework various applications into little faux leatherette items - Contacts and Calendars have both received this treatment.

Reaction is almost universally negative, even among tech uninvolved customers. It appears unprofessional and unbusinesslike to them and tarnishes the image of Apple software as being elegant and industry-best. Apple's made small retreats lately but the idiom is still riding high.

Re: Is Apple Losing Its Shine After Steve Jobs?

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Post by ricardobeat » Sat, Aug 04, 2012, 3:27 AM UTC

jmduke wrote: post #23

wickedchicken wrote: post #12

"After all, during his too-brief, once-in-a-century career, he radically disrupted at least seven industries: personal computing, desktop software, music, mobile phones, publishing, tablet computers, and Hollywood animation" Completely OT, but I thought it was interesting to note that the time difference between the first mobile phone and the first commercially successful smartphone (1973-2007) and the time differenc…

I love my iPhone, but calling it the first commercially successful smartphone is willfully ignorant of the Blackberry.

The time gap stands (1973-2002/2003).

Re: Is Apple Losing Its Shine After Steve Jobs?

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Post by taligent » Sat, Aug 04, 2012, 3:28 AM UTC

KevinEldon wrote: post #20

nirvana wrote: post #7

People have been saying that Apple was going down, in my experience, since 1981 with the introduction of the IBM PC. Seriously, in the 1980s it was IBM, Commodore, Tandy, et al. In the 1990s it was Windows. In the past decade every two-bit media player was called an iPod killer. Every phone ripping off the iPhone is called an iPhone killer. Every tablet is called an iPad killer. And of course the myth has been spread…

Steve Jobs suggests that Apple didn't innovate while he wasn't there ( http://www.macrumors.com/2011/09/19/steve-jobs-apple-almost-... ). The question is then does Apple, without Jobs, have the visionaries and the management team supporting those visionaries to pioneer very specific markets to continue earning billions in the future. I'd guess that over the next few years a Google Glass-style device is ready for the…

> Google Glass-style device is ready for the market and some sort of car-friendly voice-controlled heads-up-display

I am sorry but anyone who thinks devices like these are going to be some wild success are ignorant of the realities of our society.

People do not want to be recorded by random third parties and existing privacy laws in many countries respect that. As such the current use case of the device is likely to be illegal from day one. Throw in the problems of recording of children, recording inside workplaces and public institutions, complications for law enforcement, distraction whilst driving etc. The end result being the only place you could safely wear them is inside your own home.

Do I think it will be common in the future. Sure. But society and the law moves a lot slower than people realise.

Re: Is Apple Losing Its Shine After Steve Jobs?

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Post by ricardobeat » Sat, Aug 04, 2012, 3:31 AM UTC

brunoqc wrote: post #30

Maybe. We should also consider that maybe the smart phone trend thing is starting to slow down. Since most of the possibles innovations are already done it's harder to think of new features except maybe more power.

Not nearly. There is so much to be explored, even with current technologies like NFC, Bluetooth LE, OLED, pico-projectors, sensors, mesh networking, that current phones will look ancient in 5 years.

Re: Is Apple Losing Its Shine After Steve Jobs?

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Post by jjordan » Sat, Aug 04, 2012, 3:31 AM UTC

jpxxx wrote: post #29

So tedious. Apple is extremely well positioned in front of almost every mass trend happening in consumer electronics. They are sitting on a tenth of a trillion dollars in cash. They have content deals with more companies in more places than almost anyone else on Earth. They are ending investment in unfruitful markets. They have a rapidly converging consumer platform that has essentially no identifiable competitive we…

Looks like someone owns some Apple stock.

Re: Is Apple Losing Its Shine After Steve Jobs?

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Post by jpxxx » Sat, Aug 04, 2012, 3:36 AM UTC

jjordan wrote: post #39

jpxxx wrote: post #29

So tedious. Apple is extremely well positioned in front of almost every mass trend happening in consumer electronics. They are sitting on a tenth of a trillion dollars in cash. They have content deals with more companies in more places than almost anyone else on Earth. They are ending investment in unfruitful markets. They have a rapidly converging consumer platform that has essentially no identifiable competitive we…

Looks like someone owns some Apple stock.

Not a dime. I'm just tired of listening to willfully obtuse dilettantes try to calculate the exact instant they should be "over" Apple so they don't get caught looking uncool.