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Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies

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Re: Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies

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The war has been going on for three years with no end in sight. What's the next move? What are your ideas to defeat Russia and take back the areas they've gained since 2014?

Help them win it. Like we did in two world wars in the 20th century. Here in the 21st century we get off easy and just provide material support, and intelligence; not blood. Hell of a deal to defend democracy.

why not lead the way and go join the fight? you never know you might inspire people to join voluntarily

Re: Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies

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EU has grown fat to the point it can't get out of bed any longer. Time for the majors to create their own alliance - maybe not instead of the EU, but alongside, with a common military, nuclear umbrella and foreign policy.

Re: Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies

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The war has been going on for three years with no end in sight. What's the next move? What are your ideas to defeat Russia and take back the areas they've gained since 2014?

The thoughts are to NOT allow them to have time to rearm, get ready for another invasion, get another territory. And then again and again. That is all the peace right now would be - strategic pause so that Russia can get stronger for the next attack. Also, Trump is supporting Russia while attacking Europe, Canada, Mexico, Greenland ... . Trump talks about annexing parts of Europe (Greenland) and annexing Canada.

More than a maniac.

Re: Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The war has been going on for three years with no end in sight. What's the next move? What are your ideas to defeat Russia and take back the areas they've gained since 2014?

Surrendering is not known to be a good negotiating position. They were building into a good position with russia very depleted and economically on the ropes. Despite hold ups in US aid over the Biden admin. Pressing more aid and strengthening their position would be better for negotiating a peace. But quite simply Trump/Vance/Musk don’t want that.

what do they get by supporting russia? would love some data

Re: Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies

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yeah, they're going to have to build a new NATO-like alliance and go it alone. Seems like it would be a good thing if the EU had some military teeth of their own to give them more leverage in all the Bad Things going on now.

Macron has been advocating for a European Army for around a decade. With the recent EU defence spending announcements the idea of a unified command structure in Europe is becoming likely. The French offer to extend their nuclear umbrella seems to me to have two purposes: 1. Deal with the immediate vulnerability opened by questions over U.S. Article 5 commitments to NATO 2. Try to get ahead of potential nuclear weapon…

Also selling weapons. What this idiot of Trump seems to have missed is that countries have been purchasing weapons to the US to actually purchase US protection (like Australia did when they cancelled the submarine purchase they did to France to purchase US ones instead). Now that the US has announced being an unreliable protector, there is probably good business opportunities for all the countries that are nuclear powers and big arm dealers (such as France).

Re: Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies

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yeah, they're going to have to build a new NATO-like alliance and go it alone. Seems like it would be a good thing if the EU had some military teeth of their own to give them more leverage in all the Bad Things going on now.

The EU already also has a mutual defense clause extremely similar to NATO though

> EU already also has a mutual defense clause extremely similar to NATO

Is it explicitly nuclear?

Re: Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies

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Given that the Trump administration aligns itself with Russia and North Korea, the EU will need it. The US convinced Ukraine to scrap their nukes as they promised they would come to Ukraine's aid if needed. Trump is basically exploiting the situation to gain access to their natural resources. He's also telling them to let Russia keep the territory they stole when they Invaded Ukraine. Yes imagine that, Russia startin…

The war has been going on for three years with no end in sight. What's the next move? What are your ideas to defeat Russia and take back the areas they've gained since 2014?

Letting Russia keep the territories they control now is a great way to ensure that in few years when they rebuild their military potential they will attack again.
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