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Y Combinator Supports AI Startup Dehumanizing Factory Workers

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Re: Y Combinator Supports AI Startup Dehumanizing Factory Workers

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Bob is repeatedly punching Jon in the head, for invalid reasons. Pete, seeing this, runs up and belts Bob to protect Jon. Are these acts the same?

Pretty much, yes. I'm surprised you don't spot belting to be an equally violent action.

It is violent, but intent is everything.

Blowing up a building because you're a mobster, and you're "sending a message", is different from a demolition crew doing the same to make way for a new building.

You should really rethink what you're saying. An act is a wholesome, contextualize thing. It does not live in a vacuum.

By your measure, a sexual predator grabbing a woman's vagina and a doctor examing a female patient are identical.

This is a broken mental map of the world.

Re: Y Combinator Supports AI Startup Dehumanizing Factory Workers

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Pretty much, yes. I'm surprised you don't spot belting to be an equally violent action.

It is violent, but intent is everything. Blowing up a building because you're a mobster, and you're "sending a message", is different from a demolition crew doing the same to make way for a new building. You should really rethink what you're saying. An act is a wholesome, contextualize thing. It does not live in a vacuum. By your measure, a sexual predator grabbing a woman's vagina and a doctor examing a female patie…

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Re: Y Combinator Supports AI Startup Dehumanizing Factory Workers

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What is the right response to a boss who accuses a worker of not meeting the boss' expected productivity criteria?

Assume that both the boss and the worker believe that their productivity expectation and result are fair, respectively. It is obvious that they will never see eye to eye.

In my opinion, it is for the worker to become more detached, not less, to treat the employment as temporary, to not invest one's expectations into lasting employment. All else is beside the point.

Re: Y Combinator Supports AI Startup Dehumanizing Factory Workers

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The founders simply digitized existing practice into a piece of software. The demo could have been framed in a better way, but simply shifting the blame on the founders is very convenient. Factories loose contract over minor delays and issues. Often times the difference between workers enjoying a little humane working conditions is 20 cents, which big retail refuse to pay while the same goods retail for 4X- 5X margin…

>The founders simply digitized existing practice into a piece of software.

How could you say this without any sarcasm? This is merchant-of-death logic, you see? Nobody is shifting blame, they are expanding the blame.

Re: Y Combinator Supports AI Startup Dehumanizing Factory Workers

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> You are what you can't stand. Wow - did you come up with that or is it a quote? That's a great line. (this is apropos of nothing related to the current story - it just strikes my interests)

I just said something I thought was factual. It's just six words, someone probably said it before me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Re: Y Combinator Supports AI Startup Dehumanizing Factory Workers

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That statement makes no sense. Flagging is cancelling. You are what you can't stand.

> You are what you can't stand. Wow - did you come up with that or is it a quote? That's a great line. (this is apropos of nothing related to the current story - it just strikes my interests)

The observation has strong parallels to the notion that true organisational values are identified by what is rewarded or punished, rather than written "mission statements" or "statements of values". As was noted on a recent Complexity podcast episode (Santa Fe Institute, highly recommended), one of the challenges of language is that whilst it makes communications more powerful, it also hugely facilitates lying.

I remember the organisational observation making the rounds ... maybe a decade ago (I recall it probably being on Google+ back when that was A Thing), and though this all but certainly isn't the original, it's strongly similar in sentiments:

Company values are invisible – what's rewarded and punished shouldn't (2023)

https://www.fearlessculture.design/blog-posts/your-culture-i...>

And of course HN had a similar submission 8 years ago, though w/o discussion:

"Culture Is the Behavior You Reward and Punish" (2017)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13751865>

https://jocelyngoldfein.com/culture-is-the-behavior-you-rewa...>

Similar notions are that you are the average of the five people you spend the most time with (of questionable veracity, though fairly high popularity), see: https://quoteinvestigator.com/2022/08/08/five-people/>.

There's the notion that a person, particularly a creative person (artist, musician, author, programmer, experimenter/tinkerer, tailor, soldier, spy, wups, wrong espionage meme) is what they can't not do.

Going back to G+, an observation I'd had on follow + blocking behaviour there was that social network landscapes are defined by the pathways along with information flows with greater or lesser impedence. G+ had a fairly strong block in which a block action (unilateral or reciprocated) meanth that neither party could directly see or interact with the others' content, at least whilst authenticated to the system. (The fact that logging out permitted visibility of otherwise public content meant of course that "blocking" was not an effective mechanism for preventing some adversarial relation from finding out what you were posting so long as that activity was public.

But both in terms of blocks by/against myself, and between other accounts, there was an interesting and somewhat fractured state of discussions particularly in what I've termed "salon" threads: a reasonably gregarious host, with diligent thread hygiene, who tended to attract a broad range of participants and lively discussion. The blocking actions would tend to segment that discussion in ways I still find fascinating.

Which is unrelated to the original comment and observation, though it comes up in context, at least here and now ;-)

Re: Y Combinator Supports AI Startup Dehumanizing Factory Workers

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bob is repeatedly punching Jon in the head, for invalid reasons. Pete, seeing this, runs up and belts Bob to protect Jon. Are these acts the same?

Pretty much, yes. I'm surprised you don't spot belting to be an equally violent action.

A surgeon and an assassin both wield a blade, and both occasionally kill. Their intent and motives differ strongly.

Mens rea exists because reasons.

(This is also why surgeons generally request a statement of consent to medical procedures from the patient, where that's tractable, or by a representative --- parent, guardian, someone granted power of attorney, etc --- where the patient themselves is incapable of consent. There are still some loose edges, but this itself is a significant though not sole distinction between the two roles noted.)

Re: Y Combinator Supports AI Startup Dehumanizing Factory Workers

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Use hckrnews.com to find top stories that get flagged out removed.

I usually start my day by checking these first. Sometimes what happens is some actual spam flagged for genuine reasons but I'd say 70% of the time these are things that are interesting but there is a vocal group that doesn't like it (=the topic itsef, the conclusions of the article, etc.).

Ditto.

Re: Y Combinator Supports AI Startup Dehumanizing Factory Workers

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Use hckrnews.com to find top stories that get flagged out removed.

This is my go-to alternative to read HN. The half-life for front page entries is also longer, which lets you catch up with more ease.

I select 'All' so you see past history too.
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