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Y Combinator Supports AI Startup Dehumanizing Factory Workers

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Re: Y Combinator Supports AI Startup Dehumanizing Factory Workers

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Post by dang »

nurettin wrote: post #15
scarab92 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I flagged because I can’t stand this overly moralising cancel culture attitude. This exact tech is already commonplace in industry, but no one is trying to find an industry wide solution, just taking cheap pot shots that the nth startup doing the same thing. If you don’t like what this startup is doing, build something better instead of virtue signalling here.

That statement makes no sense. Flagging is cancelling. You are what you can't stand.

> You are what you can't stand.

Wow - did you come up with that or is it a quote? That's a great line.

(this is apropos of nothing related to the current story - it just strikes my interests)

Re: Y Combinator Supports AI Startup Dehumanizing Factory Workers

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Post by tavavex »

scarab92 wrote: post #13
Mistletoe wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Going to favorite it just so I can find it before it gets flagged. We have to redo the flagging system for HN, it's a complete joke. Why do they persist in the idea that it is better than simple upvotes and downvotes?

I flagged because I can’t stand this overly moralising cancel culture attitude. This exact tech is already commonplace in industry, but no one is trying to find an industry wide solution, just taking cheap pot shots that the nth startup doing the same thing. If you don’t like what this startup is doing, build something better instead of virtue signalling here.

The "overly moralising cancel culture" statement doesn't really prove anything here. "overly moralising" just says that you seem to disagree with all arguments based on 'too much morals', with no justification of why those arguments are bad or why using 'morals' is misguided. "cancel culture" means that you disagree with people trying to get things shut down, again, with no justification. This is just the culture war word salad of the decade, because there's no underlying point - just an attempt to wrap all the things people disagree with into one easy-to-dismiss package.

And no, this issue isn't something you can out-compete. Authority figures notably love surveillance - no matter if it's your government, a tech megacorp or a manager at a factory. There's no alternative solution that provides the same hit of power and control like surveillance. Social pushback is the only remaining way.

Re: Y Combinator Supports AI Startup Dehumanizing Factory Workers

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Post by tavavex »

MattGaiser wrote: post #4

I am surprised this is a new startup. Amazon has long been practicing micro Taylorism on every worker.

I think there are many companies that are trying to do something like this. But I'm pretty certain Amazon specifically didn't license their own technology to others.

Re: Y Combinator Supports AI Startup Dehumanizing Factory Workers

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Post by nurettin »

b112 wrote: post #20
nurettin wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That statement makes no sense. Flagging is cancelling. You are what you can't stand.

Bob is repeatedly punching Jon in the head, for invalid reasons. Pete, seeing this, runs up and belts Bob to protect Jon. Are these acts the same?

Pretty much, yes. I'm surprised you don't spot belting to be an equally violent action.

Re: Y Combinator Supports AI Startup Dehumanizing Factory Workers

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Post by Aveng1991 »

The founders simply digitized existing practice into a piece of software. The demo could have been framed in a better way, but simply shifting the blame on the founders is very convenient.

Factories loose contract over minor delays and issues. Often times the difference between workers enjoying a little humane working conditions is 20 cents, which big retail refuse to pay while the same goods retail for 4X- 5X margin.

The problem isn’t the software, since most factories already employ similar process in other manual ways. Factories that adhere to efficiency survive, those who don’t simply die. Even 10% efficiency boost can mean a lot in industries with razor thin margins.

Re: Y Combinator Supports AI Startup Dehumanizing Factory Workers

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Post by jrs235 »

Mistletoe wrote: post #8
yellow_lead wrote: post #3

If too many people comment on this, it will get removed from the front page again. I realize this is a bit hypocritical by commenting this.

Going to favorite it just so I can find it before it gets flagged. We have to redo the flagging system for HN, it's a complete joke. Why do they persist in the idea that it is better than simple upvotes and downvotes?

Use hckrnews.com to find top stories that get flagged out removed.

Re: Y Combinator Supports AI Startup Dehumanizing Factory Workers

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Post by abnercoimbre »

jrs235 wrote: post #27
Mistletoe wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Going to favorite it just so I can find it before it gets flagged. We have to redo the flagging system for HN, it's a complete joke. Why do they persist in the idea that it is better than simple upvotes and downvotes?

Use hckrnews.com to find top stories that get flagged out removed.

This is my go-to alternative to read HN. The half-life for front page entries is also longer, which lets you catch up with more ease.

Re: Y Combinator Supports AI Startup Dehumanizing Factory Workers

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Post by benterix »

jrs235 wrote: post #27
Mistletoe wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Going to favorite it just so I can find it before it gets flagged. We have to redo the flagging system for HN, it's a complete joke. Why do they persist in the idea that it is better than simple upvotes and downvotes?

Use hckrnews.com to find top stories that get flagged out removed.

I usually start my day by checking these first. Sometimes what happens is some actual spam flagged for genuine reasons but I'd say 70% of the time these are things that are interesting but there is a vocal group that doesn't like it (=the topic itsef, the conclusions of the article, etc.).

Re: Y Combinator Supports AI Startup Dehumanizing Factory Workers

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Post by nurettin »

dang wrote: post #21
nurettin wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That statement makes no sense. Flagging is cancelling. You are what you can't stand.

> You are what you can't stand. Wow - did you come up with that or is it a quote? That's a great line. (this is apropos of nothing related to the current story - it just strikes my interests)

I just said something I thought was factual. It's just six words, someone probably said it before me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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