Didn't MS once say something to the effect that Windows 10 would be the 'last' major Windows version and that they'd switch to a more continuous update model? In reality, it was probably one of the versions with the shortest time until the update was announced. Windows 11 reminds me of the old rule that every other Windows version is best skipped.
With 10 months of support remaining, Windows 10 still dominates
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Re: With 10 months of support remaining, Windows 10 still dominates
#32Anyone else here holding out? I am a hold out on upgrading, but mostly because of what I gather Microsoft's vision of the future of computing. They took a page out of Apple's notebook, the one where the user doesn't know what they want, the company does. Apparently we want: - A requirement of a non-local Microsoft account to install or use it, with no opt-out - An AI subsystem that tracks everything we do on the mach…
I worked around several of those pain points: - A requirement of a non-local Microsoft account to install or use it, with no opt-out With some effort, you can use local account: https://www.windowscentral.com/how-set-windows-11-without-mi... - Ads in our face - A worse start menu - A worse taskbar Fix Explorer with Explorer Patcher: https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher . It was unusable otherwise for me.
The existence of these workarounds allow Microsoft to achieve their goals. It doesn't behoove them to tighten the screws completely, because they still get to capture the vast majority who do what they're told to. And after enough years of acceptance of surveillance creep, the Overton window will have shifted enough that subverting these controls will be perceived by normies as suspicious behavior.
Re: With 10 months of support remaining, Windows 10 still dominates
#33What is going to happen with this? It’s pretty unimaginable that Windows would drop support for 30% of PCs or whatever, exposing them all to viruses. It seems like everyone will be forced to switch to Linux or something. Obviously I’m not going to upgrade my perfectly good CPU to make windows happy.
I don't think security updates are actually that important
Re: With 10 months of support remaining, Windows 10 still dominates
#34Anyone else here holding out? I am a hold out on upgrading, but mostly because of what I gather Microsoft's vision of the future of computing. They took a page out of Apple's notebook, the one where the user doesn't know what they want, the company does. Apparently we want: - A requirement of a non-local Microsoft account to install or use it, with no opt-out - An AI subsystem that tracks everything we do on the mach…
I'm not holding out, I'm taking the cue that it's finally time to exit Microsoft altogether. Their October deadline is when everything MS finally gets wiped from my hard drives.
It does look like I'll have to make some sacrifice going fully Linux. VR isn't great. Simracing hardware is inconsistently supported. Daisy firmware flashing doesn't work.
But I'm done being a pushover. If a product needs me to stay in the abusive relationship that is Windows in 2025, I will loudly choose other products.
Re: With 10 months of support remaining, Windows 10 still dominates
#35Re: With 10 months of support remaining, Windows 10 still dominates
#36I think that the problem might be that people don't trust that Windows 11 isn't enshittified somehow relative to 10 or that the upgrade won't screw them over somehow. Seems like corporate bad behavior coming back to bite us.
Re: With 10 months of support remaining, Windows 10 still dominates
#37Anyone else here holding out? I am a hold out on upgrading, but mostly because of what I gather Microsoft's vision of the future of computing. They took a page out of Apple's notebook, the one where the user doesn't know what they want, the company does. Apparently we want: - A requirement of a non-local Microsoft account to install or use it, with no opt-out - An AI subsystem that tracks everything we do on the mach…
I had some experience with the IoT LTSC variant of W11 recently and found that while it's not perfect, it solves a lot of the telemetry and UX complaints people have with W11.
Re: With 10 months of support remaining, Windows 10 still dominates
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/iot/iot-enterprise... Enterprise IoT is "binary equivalent" to Enterprise.
> Note: Microsoft does not publish feature updates through Windows Update for devices running Windows IoT Enterprise LTSC. This sounds like a strict upgrade to consumer-grade windows... How does an enterprising user get a legal hold on one of those licenses?
The other child comments are responding with how to obtain this in a way that is of questionable legality, which I think is not what you are asking. The officially blessed Microsoft way is essentially not available to non-enterprise customers, and it's only available to some subset of enterprise customers from my understanding. And that the cost to acquire the license is quite expensive.
Re: With 10 months of support remaining, Windows 10 still dominates
#39What is going to happen with this? It’s pretty unimaginable that Windows would drop support for 30% of PCs or whatever, exposing them all to viruses. It seems like everyone will be forced to switch to Linux or something. Obviously I’m not going to upgrade my perfectly good CPU to make windows happy.
Cloud PC might leap to the fore here, sold as a way to get "the latest Windows goodness" without needing anything more than a minimal client and decent Internet. It would solve all the patching issues, give Microsoft excellent data on how people use "their" computers, and generate a little cash on the side. Then windows on the desktop could shrivel over time to just be a stub and a client.
Re: With 10 months of support remaining, Windows 10 still dominates
#40Anyone else here holding out? I am a hold out on upgrading, but mostly because of what I gather Microsoft's vision of the future of computing. They took a page out of Apple's notebook, the one where the user doesn't know what they want, the company does. Apparently we want: - A requirement of a non-local Microsoft account to install or use it, with no opt-out - An AI subsystem that tracks everything we do on the mach…
I keep a Windows 10 installation around just in case, but over the past few years I've only booted it to install updates. I also have some ebook and hardware config applications that I haven't been able to get working in WINE, which I very very occasionally want to run.
I haven't decided what to do. I suspect I'll end up deleting the Windows partition and just reclaiming that disk space.