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Bluesky Is Not Decentralized

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Re: Bluesky Is Not Decentralized

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Post by rsolva »

pfraze wrote: post #25
rsolva wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The OP does not take issue with the algorithm part, but the claim of decentralization. I'm currently running my own instance of an ActivityPub server (GoToSocial), just for me, and it works like a charm. I would not know how to do the same with BlueSky, and I have tried to understand how.

If you’re trying to self host your account, you follow https://atproto.com/guides/self-hosting If you’re trying to build an application, you follow https://atproto.com/guides/applications If you’re looking to run the bluesky application, you need to run the codebases in https://github.com/bluesky-social .

Thanks, it's been a while since I last looked into it.

Will my self-hosted account be able to talk directly to other self-hosted BlueSky accounts?

Re: Bluesky Is Not Decentralized

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Post by pfraze »

rsolva wrote: post #31
pfraze wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you’re trying to self host your account, you follow https://atproto.com/guides/self-hosting If you’re trying to build an application, you follow https://atproto.com/guides/applications If you’re looking to run the bluesky application, you need to run the codebases in https://github.com/bluesky-social .

Thanks, it's been a while since I last looked into it. Will my self-hosted account be able to talk directly to other self-hosted BlueSky accounts?

Yep!

Re: Bluesky Is Not Decentralized

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Post by blitzar »

paulgb wrote: post #26
blitzar wrote: post #21

Still waiting for my day 1 request to be considered for membership to come through. Don't think I made the cut.

You can just sign up now, you don’t need an invite.

Its ok, they have my details. I am sure they will let me know when it is time.

Re: Bluesky Is Not Decentralized

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Post by GaryNumanVevo »

jeroenhd wrote: post #12

Bluesky's marketing is rather annoying on my opinion. They're not defederated in practice and they probably never will be, but that's okay. People don't want a new Mastodon, they want a new Twitter after Musk fucked that up worse than ever. Their promises of portability may ring empty but so far their lack of AI algorithm and ad feeds are what people actually come to Bluesky for If you want federation, ActivityPub is…

see: BridgyFed

Re: Bluesky Is Not Decentralized

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Post by pfraze »

blitzar wrote: post #33
paulgb wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can just sign up now, you don’t need an invite.

Its ok, they have my details. I am sure they will let me know when it is time.

I personally and formally invite you to join. Im sure your original invite got lost in the mail.

Fwiw the invites were really just to manage scale. We weren’t ready yet and demand was high. We weren’t trying to exclude people

Re: Bluesky Is Not Decentralized

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Post by MiguelX413 »

jeroenhd wrote: post #12

Bluesky's marketing is rather annoying on my opinion. They're not defederated in practice and they probably never will be, but that's okay. People don't want a new Mastodon, they want a new Twitter after Musk fucked that up worse than ever. Their promises of portability may ring empty but so far their lack of AI algorithm and ad feeds are what people actually come to Bluesky for If you want federation, ActivityPub is…

I ultimately came to the conclusion that both those who advocated for the fediverse as a Twitter replacement and those who complained that it was inadequate as a Twitter replacement were both wrong. People don't need “a Twitter” in the first place. It's a terrible website designed to maximize engagement, including negative engagement, for its profit.

I quite agree with https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38445649

Re: Bluesky Is Not Decentralized

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Post by threeseed »

exodust wrote: post #23
jeroenhd wrote: post #12

Bluesky's marketing is rather annoying on my opinion. They're not defederated in practice and they probably never will be, but that's okay. People don't want a new Mastodon, they want a new Twitter after Musk fucked that up worse than ever. Their promises of portability may ring empty but so far their lack of AI algorithm and ad feeds are what people actually come to Bluesky for If you want federation, ActivityPub is…

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I just tried signing up for X using a new account.

99% ultra-right wing political content with obscene amounts of overt racism, anti-semitism etc.

Even though when it asked for my interests politics wasn't even an option.

Re: Bluesky Is Not Decentralized

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Post by threeseed »

MiguelX413 wrote: post #36
jeroenhd wrote: post #12

Bluesky's marketing is rather annoying on my opinion. They're not defederated in practice and they probably never will be, but that's okay. People don't want a new Mastodon, they want a new Twitter after Musk fucked that up worse than ever. Their promises of portability may ring empty but so far their lack of AI algorithm and ad feeds are what people actually come to Bluesky for If you want federation, ActivityPub is…

I ultimately came to the conclusion that both those who advocated for the fediverse as a Twitter replacement and those who complained that it was inadequate as a Twitter replacement were both wrong. People don't need “a Twitter” in the first place. It's a terrible website designed to maximize engagement, including negative engagement, for its profit. I quite agree with https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38445649

> terrible website designed to maximize engagement

It really does show why engagement should never be monetised.

It's just full of fight videos, repackaged memes, controversial takes etc. all designed to get some extra money for the poster. Even VCs and the startup community gets in on it.

Re: Bluesky Is Not Decentralized

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Post by kristo »

pfraze wrote: post #3

Read this: https://atproto.com/articles/atproto-for-distsys-engineers AT Protocol works like the Web, where each user is a website and each application is a search engine. The apps crawl the network of hosts and aggregate activity. We have over 100 outside hosts and at least 3 aggregating apps out there. It’s a different model than ActivityPub, which is more akin to email. We never said no algorithm. I don’t know whe…

I don’t understand what the naysayers want? They want an app that is decentralized, completely free, uses nothing remotely related to crypto, doesn’t serve ads, and where it starts day 1 with a robust ecosystem of applications using it.

These people are just winging for followers IMO.

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