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Re: "Us vs. Them" language shapes the Apple ecosystem narrative

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Post by Spivak »

talldayo wrote: post #16
Spivak wrote: post #10

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This doesn't stand up to reality. You can't market your way into billions of sales over such a long period while a superior product exists at a lower price sold literally right next to it. You just can't hide the lack of signal for that long. The "iPhones are a status symbol" hasn't been true for a long time because everyone has them. They are the better software and hardware product full stop. Whether that makes the…

> You can't market your way into billions of sales over such a long period while a superior product exists at a lower price sold literally right next to it. Microsoft's "Internet Explorer" would like a word with you...

That's actually a great example of my point. For a long time IE was the best game in town, that's where all those pixeley "Works Best in Internet Explorer" banners came from. They got a boost from being the default but the bigger boost was because it was free. You had to pay for Netscape and later on Firefox/Opera were about the same. It wasn't until a truly better browser showed up, Chrome, that IE was unseated and that information spread like wildfire. It had a long tail of death from the perspective of web devs but they stopped being the market leader right quick.

Re: "Us vs. Them" language shapes the Apple ecosystem narrative

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Post by layer8 »

talldayo wrote: post #16
Spivak wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This doesn't stand up to reality. You can't market your way into billions of sales over such a long period while a superior product exists at a lower price sold literally right next to it. You just can't hide the lack of signal for that long. The "iPhones are a status symbol" hasn't been true for a long time because everyone has them. They are the better software and hardware product full stop. Whether that makes the…

> You can't market your way into billions of sales over such a long period while a superior product exists at a lower price sold literally right next to it. Microsoft's "Internet Explorer" would like a word with you...

Internet Explorer was my preferred browser as an end user for more than a decade, for its native UI and text rendering. It was mostly only a pain for web developers.

Re: "Us vs. Them" language shapes the Apple ecosystem narrative

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Post by thomassmith65 »

LorenDB wrote: post #29
thomassmith65 wrote: post #22

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I don't want an X account, so X links are useless to me. I don't subscribe to subscriptions, so NYT links etc... useless to me. I block privacy-abusing domains... AlphaGoogle links etc are inaccessible. I won't disable my adblocker... many commercial sites linked here no good to me. No Chrome browser... many other sites here don't work. Maybe it's crazy to expect the net to contain interesting websites that don't hav…

> I don't want an X account, so X links are practically useless to me. And yet individual tweets can be read without an account. Of course, that doesn't work in this case as you will only see the first tweet in the thread, but you still can read a lot of HN submissions from Twitter.

True, but mostly if I find a tweet worth a click, it's a long enough tweet that its author split it into several parts... of which I can read only the first.

Re: "Us vs. Them" language shapes the Apple ecosystem narrative

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Post by Spivak »

layer8 wrote: post #33
talldayo wrote: post #16

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> You can't market your way into billions of sales over such a long period while a superior product exists at a lower price sold literally right next to it. Microsoft's "Internet Explorer" would like a word with you...

Internet Explorer was my preferred browser as an end user for more than a decade, for its native UI and text rendering. It was mostly only a pain for web developers.

Which lines up exactly to the current state of iOS so it's no wonder HN's opinion is what it is.

If you don't use iOS but have to develop for it it's completely understandable that you end up resenting it.

Re: "Us vs. Them" language shapes the Apple ecosystem narrative

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Post by lolinder »

LorenDB wrote: post #29
thomassmith65 wrote: post #22

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I don't want an X account, so X links are useless to me. I don't subscribe to subscriptions, so NYT links etc... useless to me. I block privacy-abusing domains... AlphaGoogle links etc are inaccessible. I won't disable my adblocker... many commercial sites linked here no good to me. No Chrome browser... many other sites here don't work. Maybe it's crazy to expect the net to contain interesting websites that don't hav…

> I don't want an X account, so X links are practically useless to me. And yet individual tweets can be read without an account. Of course, that doesn't work in this case as you will only see the first tweet in the thread, but you still can read a lot of HN submissions from Twitter.

Nearly every tweet linked from HN is part of a thread because it's actually a blog post by someone who couldn't be bothered to have a proper blog.

Re: "Us vs. Them" language shapes the Apple ecosystem narrative

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Post by next_xibalba »

meiraleal wrote: post #27
next_xibalba wrote: post #17

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Don’t you think they get upvoted bc other HN users don’t share your opinion on X links or outright disagree with you?

Most HN users comment on the title, not the content. The title and the xeet will have similar length anyway.

Said another way, they either don’t mind or don’t care about X links.

Re: "Us vs. Them" language shapes the Apple ecosystem narrative

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Post by 29athrowaway »

littlestymaar wrote: post #20
29athrowaway wrote: post #8

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Right. What else do you propose? a large book burning? destroying libraries? X (formerly Twitter) has a large trove of valuable content that dates from the "Twitter 1.0" era as well.

Banning the media of an oligarch who supported book bans in public libraries would just sounds like karma to me.

Well, movies, music and video games have content rating, to the extent that a book that features tobacco use may be rated for certain audiences...

For the sake of consistency, I would expect that a sexually explicit book would not be put in the hands of kids, same as we already do with other types of content such as music, movies and games.

Now, there are books that should be banned. Like the Golden book of Chemistry Experiments and other books that can lead to potentially dangerous outcomes.

Re: "Us vs. Them" language shapes the Apple ecosystem narrative

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Post by qwerty456127 »

frizlab wrote: post #28
chrisrhoden wrote: post #14

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Entitlements are flags (like AndroidManifest permissions) for apps allowing them to do things. It’s not something a user will ever encounter. In this case it is a flag indicating to the reviewer etc that the app links to a website for account creation and management rather than doing it all within the app.

Yup. OP is deliberately comparing the language for the end users and the language for the developers for the purpose of a dubious conclusion.

To me it seems the very distinction is toxic. All users of a platform should be considered equal, not separated into developers and consumers. Creating your own apps for whatever an audience to use it (for yourself, for specific people you want or for everyone) should be considered a normal feature any user may use.

Re: "Us vs. Them" language shapes the Apple ecosystem narrative

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Post by pphysch »

mleo wrote: post #21
pphysch wrote: post #4

Apple doesn't necessarily making the best hardware or software, but they are definitely the best at branding and public relations.

They are good at branding and public relations, but that isn’t why people continue to buy their products. Look at how many AI hardware companies have recently tried branding and PR while launching their product to only flub when the quality wasn’t delivered in the product.

Comparing the established markets that Apple operates in to AI/ML gold-rush (what even is the product??) is quite a stretch.
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