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Indian airline gives female travelers option to choose seats next to women
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Re: Indian airline gives female travelers option to choose seats next to women
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wonder how this will/would work with trans people. I hope it is done with suitable sensitivity and sensibility.
Trans people and trans right are such a US/EU and a few Asian countries issue and some say fad - they literally do not exist anywhere else as a matter of public policy or visibility.
If you don't mean to say that trans people exist as a fad, you might edit this comment for clarity.
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you saying they are underestimating the number? Or are you saying that the number isn’t high enough to warrant action? Your comment isn’t clear.
I believe the first, they're saying that it's about as likely to report being sexually assaulted on a plane as to die in a plane crash, which seems extraordinarily unlikely to be true, and if it IS true, it implies that planes are already safe places, safer than most other environments you'll be in.
Or they’re so unsafe that people do not dare report issues.
Or people being harassed don’t think it will help to report issues.
Or people being harassed think it might help, but statistically not so much that it makes reporting issues worth the added travel delay.
(This list likely isn’t complete)
Re: Indian airline gives female travelers option to choose seats next to women
#34Given the tightness of airline seating and typical shoulder width for each gender, alternating male / female seating seems ideal space-wise.
This is what happens when you leave decisions with social consequences to engineers... they end up optimizing to strange anti-social characteristics at the cost of any sort of social reality.
We could save even more space if we hooked up seating arrangements to TSA body scanners. Using body outlines, seating could be dynamically adjusted before boarding to ensure each passenger can optimally interlock legs with their neighbors. Lap sizes can determine the ideal vertical stacking, with overhead bins removed to save space now that the top passenger can hold all the carryon.
This approach might take a bit of getting used to, but just imagine the carbon savings.
Re: Indian airline gives female travelers option to choose seats next to women
#35What happens if no women were ok with sitting next to a man?
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Re: Indian airline gives female travelers option to choose seats next to women
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
I believe the first, they're saying that it's about as likely to report being sexually assaulted on a plane as to die in a plane crash, which seems extraordinarily unlikely to be true, and if it IS true, it implies that planes are already safe places, safer than most other environments you'll be in.
Or they’re so unsafe that people do not dare report issues. Or people being harassed don’t think it will help to report issues. Or people being harassed think it might help, but statistically not so much that it makes reporting issues worth the added travel delay. (This list likely isn’t complete)
Sorry, yes, my meaning was that it seems as though the number OP used to arrive at the conclusion is incorrect, either because OP made an error, or because of some reason that leads folks to under-report (as you suggest above), or because the data is wrong for some other reason.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
Trans people and trans right are such a US/EU and a few Asian countries issue and some say fad - they literally do not exist anywhere else as a matter of public policy or visibility.
You’re just downright uninformed then. See, e.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathoey Perhaps you consider it a fad because increasing visibility in Western culture/resulting culture war pushback has just now brought it to your personal attention. Just because you haven’t personally noticed them doesn’t mean trans people haven’t existed for hundreds of years in different capacities all over the globe.
These are not trans people like you see in the anglosphere.
The same way Alexander the Great or Telemachus or Sappho or any other ancient Mediterranean were not gay in the modern sense.
Western culture's version of trans/gay/lesbian/LGBTQ+ (awful term imo) is an artifact of that culture. And just because we look and act the same as others does not mean we are. It's like lumping the Middle East into one category -- when some inside wouldn't even consider themselves a part of it.
E.g. just because I enjoy sucking dick does not mean I'm part of the [insert country that I have nothing in common with]'s gay community. And frankly I don't want to be lumped in with it.
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
You’re just downright uninformed then. See, e.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathoey Perhaps you consider it a fad because increasing visibility in Western culture/resulting culture war pushback has just now brought it to your personal attention. Just because you haven’t personally noticed them doesn’t mean trans people haven’t existed for hundreds of years in different capacities all over the globe.
These are not trans people like you see in the anglosphere. The same way Alexander the Great or Telemachus or Sappho or any other ancient Mediterranean were not gay in the modern sense. Western culture's version of trans/gay/lesbian/LGBTQ+ (awful term imo) is an artifact of that culture. And just because we look and act the same as others does not mean we are. It's like lumping the Middle East into one category -- wh…
I think it's really close-minded to stereotype millions of trans people and treat them like a monolith. Culture shapes behavior sure, but trans people globally operate under similar constraints. Whether or not you consider yourself part of the global or LGBTQ+ community is pretty irrelevant to bigots. There's no way for you to appease or become "respectable" in their eyes, even if you throw trans people under the bus. You're always gonna be a f*g to them.
Re: Indian airline gives female travelers option to choose seats next to women
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
These are not trans people like you see in the anglosphere. The same way Alexander the Great or Telemachus or Sappho or any other ancient Mediterranean were not gay in the modern sense. Western culture's version of trans/gay/lesbian/LGBTQ+ (awful term imo) is an artifact of that culture. And just because we look and act the same as others does not mean we are. It's like lumping the Middle East into one category -- wh…
I think it's really close-minded to stereotype millions of trans people and treat them like a monolith. Culture shapes behavior sure, but trans people globally operate under similar constraints. Whether or not you consider yourself part of the global or LGBTQ+ community is pretty irrelevant to bigots. There's no way for you to appease or become "respectable" in their eyes, even if you throw trans people under the bus…
Perhaps your version of bigots, but I can handle the ones I interact with much better personally with a different approach than -- paraphrasing -- "fuck all bigots."
I think the absolutionist path is wrong. I don't care about the respect or acknowledgment of the monolith of the "other." I do care about the people in my community and those I interact with on a regular basis. In that vein, I have found it useful to not be so inflexible about things. The majority of people are open to getting along if you get along with them. The rest are either working from a memory of bad experiences or have just simply been surrounded too long in a dogma they've adopted as their own. But these are not intractable problems.
What is an almost intractable problem is having all of my efforts be made moot, when a bunch of hell-raisers with nothing else on their mind besides "me and my problems" decide to make noise and drive even greater decisiveness.
I would like for Western individualism and cultural imperialism and disintegration to leave me and my people the fuck alone. I don't need your help or your ideas or to be saved from my foolishness -- thank you -- I'm doing well with my own devices.
Re: Indian airline gives female travelers option to choose seats next to women
#40Buses throughout India have segregated seating for male (at the back) and female (in the front) passengers.
Subway trains in most metro-cities often literally have seperate carriages reserved only for women.
Most co-ed schools in India also segregate their classrooms by having girls and boys sit in distinct clusters of seats, perhaps a legacy practice inherited from missionary convent schools of the Raj.
Co-ed hostels are literally unheard of; and no landlord ever accepts explicitly leasing a flat/house to men and women together unless they are related or married.
Such physical separation between the sexes has been a long-practiced convention across a lot of domains in India. So when Indigo says this policy change is "to make the travel experience more comfortable for our female passengers", what this means is that they are trying to make air travel conform to the practices the female passengers have grown up experiencing in other modes of public transport and everywhere else, to reduce friction and needless culture shock for new flyers.