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Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Can you explain how your risk profile will change if you don’t use the feature?

I bet it will happen that some apps i now use, which are in the regualar app store, will be pulled in favor of a own app store which has more tracking and maybe even cost money. So it will be a downgrade if now working apps move to an ad and tracking app store which are not privacy sensitive like iAds.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Why would IpadOS not be held to the same DSA rules as IOS? Apple has applied the same model of gatekeeping (walled garden) to both the iPhone and the iPad. DSA attaches requirements to the gatekeepers if they are big enough. Software similarity and market positioning don't really come into consideration once the role of gatekeeper has been established.

Doesn't this mean that game consoles should be gatekeepers too like from sony/nintendo/microsoft?

Yes, but the number of their EU users are too low for that: https://www.trueachievements.com/n52977/xbox-store-eu-users

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would IpadOS not be held to the same DSA rules as IOS? Apple has applied the same model of gatekeeping (walled garden) to both the iPhone and the iPad. DSA attaches requirements to the gatekeepers if they are big enough. Software similarity and market positioning don't really come into consideration once the role of gatekeeper has been established.

Doesn't this mean that game consoles should be gatekeepers too like from sony/nintendo/microsoft?

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Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would IpadOS not be held to the same DSA rules as IOS? Apple has applied the same model of gatekeeping (walled garden) to both the iPhone and the iPad. DSA attaches requirements to the gatekeepers if they are big enough. Software similarity and market positioning don't really come into consideration once the role of gatekeeper has been established.

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The distinction between both OS and app stores is entirely arbitrary as well, and the EC is just not buying the argument that this is a different product and should be treated differently.

Edit: looks like the EU didn't even bother challenging the arbitrary distinction between both OS, since the iPad crosses the threshold for business users by itself, it's submitted to DMA on its own.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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iPad is as dominant in tablet space as iPhone in phones, why is it not big enough?

Just that less people buy tablets than phones. As a percentage of market share iPad probably the same or higher (guess). But in absolute numbers lower.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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There is a difference between “here’s how to avoid the problem” and “the problem is caused by you”.

They sent out bumpers because it was a design flaw.

I know they did, that’s not my point. My point is that the words “you are holding it wrong” were never said.

They told people how to avoid the problem. “Here’s a workaround” doesn’t assign blame to the user. “You are holding it wrong” does. The sentiment is different.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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The EC decides what the rules for defining a gatekeeper are, they invented the designation. You can call that arbitrary if you want, but they set their rules and are sticking to them. Deciding that iPads and iPhones are the same platform seems pretty common-sense to me.

a) EC isn't following the pre-defined rules for what is a gatekeeper. They just made up new ones. Hence my point. b) EC never said that iPads and iPhones are the same platform.

No they don't and if they did Apple could bring the case in front of CJEU.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Can you explain how your risk profile will change if you don’t use the feature?

It’s bad news for regular folks who will be clicking those install links with no protection from the App Store. The majority of people have been kept safe up until now.

Why people are acting like the appstore is somehow safe? The top apps are casino-like games which aren't that far off malware. Not something I would like my family to use in any case.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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I’m guessing the EU is just holding it wrong.

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Jobs exact words where: "All phones have sensitive areas, just avoid holding it in this way."

Which is arguably worse, since all of Apples official statements on that case contained that bit of intentional gaslighting at the beginning. The iPhone 4 did not just have "sensitive areas", it completely exposed the antenna, causing it to short circuit from normal use.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would IpadOS not be held to the same DSA rules as IOS? Apple has applied the same model of gatekeeping (walled garden) to both the iPhone and the iPad. DSA attaches requirements to the gatekeepers if they are big enough. Software similarity and market positioning don't really come into consideration once the role of gatekeeper has been established.

Doesn't this mean that game consoles should be gatekeepers too like from sony/nintendo/microsoft?

They definitely are, and I bet they're already further down the checklist.
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