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Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by bootsmann »

Moldoteck wrote: post #12
kvdveer wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would IpadOS not be held to the same DSA rules as IOS? Apple has applied the same model of gatekeeping (walled garden) to both the iPhone and the iPad. DSA attaches requirements to the gatekeepers if they are big enough. Software similarity and market positioning don't really come into consideration once the role of gatekeeper has been established.

Doesn't this mean that game consoles should be gatekeepers too like from sony/nintendo/microsoft?

The markets are too small for DMA to apply IIRC

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Post by neverokay »

callalex wrote: post #19
lynx23 wrote: post #17

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Can you explain how your risk profile will change if you don’t use the feature?

It’s bad news for regular folks who will be clicking those install links with no protection from the App Store. The majority of people have been kept safe up until now.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by prmoustache »

threeseed wrote: post #7
kvdveer wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would IpadOS not be held to the same DSA rules as IOS? Apple has applied the same model of gatekeeping (walled garden) to both the iPhone and the iPad. DSA attaches requirements to the gatekeepers if they are big enough. Software similarity and market positioning don't really come into consideration once the role of gatekeeper has been established.

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> In this case the iPad is actually not big enough but the EU has chosen to regulate anyway.

They just realized that Apple was full of shit and trying to circumvent the law by differenciating iPadOS and iOS in the same arbitrary way you think the EU is working.

It is rarely a good strategy to play the smart ass in front of authority.

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Post by wiseowise »

threeseed wrote: post #7
kvdveer wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would IpadOS not be held to the same DSA rules as IOS? Apple has applied the same model of gatekeeping (walled garden) to both the iPhone and the iPad. DSA attaches requirements to the gatekeepers if they are big enough. Software similarity and market positioning don't really come into consideration once the role of gatekeeper has been established.

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iPad is as dominant in tablet space as iPhone in phones, why is it not big enough?

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by threeseed »

idle_zealot wrote: post #16
threeseed wrote: post #10

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It doesn't change the fact that it's arbitrary at this point. There are no rules that are governing what is or isn't a gatekeeper. It's just whatever EC decides that day.

The EC decides what the rules for defining a gatekeeper are, they invented the designation. You can call that arbitrary if you want, but they set their rules and are sticking to them. Deciding that iPads and iPhones are the same platform seems pretty common-sense to me.

a) EC isn't following the pre-defined rules for what is a gatekeeper. They just made up new ones. Hence my point.

b) EC never said that iPads and iPhones are the same platform.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by HeatrayEnjoyer »

threeseed wrote: post #7
kvdveer wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would IpadOS not be held to the same DSA rules as IOS? Apple has applied the same model of gatekeeping (walled garden) to both the iPhone and the iPad. DSA attaches requirements to the gatekeepers if they are big enough. Software similarity and market positioning don't really come into consideration once the role of gatekeeper has been established.

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It wasn't arbitrary at all.

>The Commission's investigation found that Apple presents the features of a gatekeeper in relation to iPadOS, as among others:

>Apple's business user numbers exceeded the quantitative threshold elevenfold, while its end user numbers were close to the threshold and are predicted to rise in the near future.

>End users are locked-in to iPadOS. Apple leverages its large ecosystem to disincentivise end users from switching to other operating systems for tablets.

>Business users are locked-in to iPadOS because of its large and commercially attractive user base, and its importance for certain use cases, such as gaming apps.

>On the basis of the findings of the investigation, the Commission concluded that iPadOS constitutes an important gateway for business users to reach end users, and that Apple enjoys an entrenched and durable position with respect to iPadOS. Apple has now six months to ensure full compliance with the DMA obligations as applied to iPadOS.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by SOLAR_FIELDS »

neverokay wrote: post #22
callalex wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain how your risk profile will change if you don’t use the feature?

It’s bad news for regular folks who will be clicking those install links with no protection from the App Store. The majority of people have been kept safe up until now.

If it’s the Apple we all know, they will probably have to click through about 14 warnings to be able to do this. Someone might make the point that this is not enough of a deterrent, but I’ll counter with the fact that browsers helped make https a thing by giving an ugly looking sign whenever http came around and it definitely helped

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by hehdhdjehehegwv »

thebruce87m wrote: post #18
frankacter wrote: post #15

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While not word for word, it echoes the sentiment of the "official" response from Apple. "If you ever experience this on your iPhone 4, avoid gripping it in the lower left corner in a way that covers both sides of the black strip in the metal band"

There is a difference between “here’s how to avoid the problem” and “the problem is caused by you”.

They sent out bumpers because it was a design flaw.
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