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How the FBI targeted Camus, and then Sartre after the JFK assassination (2013)

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Re: How the FBI targeted Camus, and then Sartre after the JFK assassination (2013)

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Post by throwaway8877 »

hk__2 wrote: post #12
throwaway8877 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is necessarily no cross-links between all of them, but there is a link. If you can't imagine that a state that is obsessively dreaming about the world revolution and has a wide spy network and large group of naive sympathisers doesn't try to infiltrate all the possible influential counter cultures then you are a little too naive.

> If you can't imagine that a state that is obsessively dreaming about the world revolution and has a wide spy network and large group of naive sympathisers doesn't try to infiltrate all the possible influential counter cultures then you are a little too naive. How are Blacks, communists and poets “counter cultures”?

I take the most favorable interpretation and I presume that the young age is in play in such large ignorance.

Obviously the notion of poets doesn't contain all of them like the ones who write rhymes for children but poetry has since Age of Enlightenment been a tool of political critique if not earlier. The same applies to philosophy. I'm hope that you for sure have heard of Marx.

I also hope that you have learned about civil rights movement of the black people and Martin Luther King.

So which one of all of the four has the support of a large superstate with an extensive spy network?

Re: How the FBI targeted Camus, and then Sartre after the JFK assassination (2013)

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Post by pfdietz »

gosub100 wrote: post #30
aebtebeten wrote: post #2

> ... there must be some kind of conspiracy between communists, blacks, poets and French philosophers. If you can connect these dots, then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati_(game) might be for you! (but see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jackson_Games,_Inc._v._U... )

so anything is falsifiable if you create a board game using its components? Moon-landing conspirators unite!

Conspiracies can be dismissed if they are presented without convincing evidence. After all, the space of possible conspiracies is vast; all but a tiny fraction must be nonexistent.

Re: How the FBI targeted Camus, and then Sartre after the JFK assassination (2013)

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Post by asveikau »

pessimizer wrote: post #13
thriftwy wrote: post #10

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> I suspect You can just read. The most surprising thing about WWII, at least to many Nazis, is that the US and Britain didn't join the Axis. German theories about race were largely drawn from British and American sources. The US fought WWII with a racially segregated military.

White American culture is also kind of dominated by descendants of German immigrants. I recall seeing some historical racist media that was praising Anglo-German supremacy in contrast to Irish, southern and eastern Europeans etc. People forget this because the latter groups are all considered white now.

I personally think this puts some weight into the "race is a social construct" theory. That and the existence of mixed race people, and the stories of how they and their families have been arbitrarily treated based on varying perceptions. It's all pretty absurd.

Re: How the FBI targeted Camus, and then Sartre after the JFK assassination (2013)

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Post by [deleted] »

jjackson5324 wrote: post #20

Funny enough, if you look at polling data of Americans... amongst people who actually lived during the JFK assassination & later investigation and kept up with all the details.... only about 11% believed the official narrative. More than 80% thought the official narrative was a lie. Nowadays (when most Americans have just read about it in history textbooks), it feels like most people believe the official narrative an…

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Re: How the FBI targeted Camus, and then Sartre after the JFK assassination (2013)

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jjackson5324 wrote: post #20

Funny enough, if you look at polling data of Americans... amongst people who actually lived during the JFK assassination & later investigation and kept up with all the details.... only about 11% believed the official narrative. More than 80% thought the official narrative was a lie. Nowadays (when most Americans have just read about it in history textbooks), it feels like most people believe the official narrative an…

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Re: How the FBI targeted Camus, and then Sartre after the JFK assassination (2013)

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Post by l3mure »

jjackson5324 wrote: post #25
rootusrootus wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nowadays This makes sense to me, because after all this time if we don't have anything which backs up the conspiracy theories it is sensible to believe that the results of the official investigation are largely accurate.

The House Select Committee on Assassinations was established to investigate the assassinations of JFK and MLK. After their investigation, they concluded that the official narrative was most likely wrong and they found a high probability that two gunmen fired at President John F. Kennedy. There were no investigations after that.. > Scientific acoustical evidence establishes a high probability that two gunmen fired at…

For me the real kicker from the HSCA is George Joannides:

> At the HSCA, Joannides had been specifically assigned to handle queries about the DRE and its relations with the CIA. The Agency had assured the committee that he had no connection whatsoever to the matters under investigation; that, in fact, he was merely an Agency lawyer and had not been “operational” in 1963. These assurances were self-evidently false. At one point, Joannides informed the committee that the identity of the DRE’s case officer at the time of the Kennedy assassination — Joannides himself — could not be determined.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/jfk-assassination-do...

Re: How the FBI targeted Camus, and then Sartre after the JFK assassination (2013)

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Post by hackandthink »

"Despite gathering years of NSA-worthy surveillance on the philosophers, Hoover’s agents were never able to discern the ideological program of the French. “I can’t work out,” wrote one in a note in Sartre’s file, “if he’s pro-Communist or anti-Communist."

I feel the same.

Lévy often seems to be a manichean ideologue, but I found his Sartre book revealing:

"Levy depicts Sartre as a man who could succumb to the twentieth century’s catastrophic attraction to violence and the false messianism of its total political solutions, while also being one of the fiercest critics of its illusions and shortcomings."

https://bernard-henri-levy.com/en/book/sartre/

Re: How the FBI targeted Camus, and then Sartre after the JFK assassination (2013)

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Post by throwaway8877 »

throwaway8877 wrote: post #31
hk__2 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you can't imagine that a state that is obsessively dreaming about the world revolution and has a wide spy network and large group of naive sympathisers doesn't try to infiltrate all the possible influential counter cultures then you are a little too naive. How are Blacks, communists and poets “counter cultures”?

I take the most favorable interpretation and I presume that the young age is in play in such large ignorance. Obviously the notion of poets doesn't contain all of them like the ones who write rhymes for children but poetry has since Age of Enlightenment been a tool of political critique if not earlier. The same applies to philosophy. I'm hope that you for sure have heard of Marx. I also hope that you have learned abo…

And what comes to McCarthy then he had every right to be extremely paranoid about the activities of Soviet Union in attempts to secretly influence American politics from the within. The work of American counter intelligence agencies is a clear proof of it.

Recommended read https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1996/04/14/w...

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