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Re: Meshtastic: An open source, off-grid, decentralized, mesh network

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Is it feasible to create a mesh network using Bluetooth on participating smart phones? In crowded places like college campuses, we could run campus IM on it for instance

Yes it is possible. The P2P Matrix demos worked in this way but they were alpha-quality at best, shoehorning today’s federation protocol on top of Pinecone mesh routing over Bluetooth/Wi-Fi. It still needed a lot of work to adapt the Matrix federation protocol to be properly usable in real-time without full-mesh connectivity.

Re: Meshtastic: An open source, off-grid, decentralized, mesh network

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We used it at Burning Man in 2023. Burning Man is hard on gear and a surprisingly busy RF environment. It was reliable and has a good user experience. I really liked it.

I used it at EDC this past year and it similarly worked quite well.

Re: Meshtastic: An open source, off-grid, decentralized, mesh network

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Isn't there an open source Android mesh network? Based on Wifi or Bluetooth? I thought I heard about mesh networks being used in protests years ago...? Do we still not have something viable?

I've heard of Briar and Bridgeify and Serval and Meshenger, what others are there?

https://berty.tech/messenger

Re: Meshtastic: An open source, off-grid, decentralized, mesh network

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Isn't there an open source Android mesh network? Based on Wifi or Bluetooth? I thought I heard about mesh networks being used in protests years ago...? Do we still not have something viable?

yggdrasil can use WiFi on Android, I haven't tried it yet - https://yggdrasil-network.github.io/. yggdrasil gives you the ability to use TCP/IP applications over its mesh network but doesn't offer any end-user functionality itself.

Manyverse can use WiFi for decentralised social networking - https://www.manyver.se/. They're currently in the middle of a rewrite of the backend and a protocol switch away from Secure Scuttlebutt to their own protocol currently named PPPPP.

Reticulum/Sideband offers a P2P messaging system over WiFi or other mediums - https://github.com/markqvist/sideband

Re: Meshtastic: An open source, off-grid, decentralized, mesh network

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Isn't there an open source Android mesh network? Based on Wifi or Bluetooth? I thought I heard about mesh networks being used in protests years ago...? Do we still not have something viable?

I've heard of Briar and Bridgeify and Serval and Meshenger, what others are there?

https://hyperboria.net, formerly Project Meshnet

Re: Meshtastic: An open source, off-grid, decentralized, mesh network

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post #3

Before anyone gets too excited about this - half duplex/TDD-like mesh radio systems with omnidirectional antennas are one of the LEAST efficient possible ways of building a wireless village/town scale IP network. The thing about an omni antenna talking to another omni is that an omnidirectional antenna is also a 360 degree noise gatherer, and gathers traffic/timeslot occuyping stuff that might be coming from other, s…

That's a whole lot of commenting from someone who clearly doesn't know what meshtastic is. It's text messaging with channels, some provisions for nodes transmitting sensor data, and some location data. It's not intended to provide TCP/IP networking.

Almost inevitably, people building "mesh" networks do try to run IP over them, because the most common and popular applications and services are all TCP/IP based.

DIY things capable of a few hundred kbps and text only are a very niche application. "Mesh" at very low data rates and duty cycles has very good purposes when purchased in a fully packaged single purpose industrial/embedded system from a vendor with support, such as how electrical grid operators implement some forms of smart meters.

Re: Meshtastic: An open source, off-grid, decentralized, mesh network

#38

We used it at Burning Man in 2023. Burning Man is hard on gear and a surprisingly busy RF environment. It was reliable and has a good user experience. I really liked it.

My understanding is that LoRA isn't high bandwidth -- so just out of curiosity, what kinds of things did you use this for?

Re: Meshtastic: An open source, off-grid, decentralized, mesh network

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Isn't there an open source Android mesh network? Based on Wifi or Bluetooth? I thought I heard about mesh networks being used in protests years ago...? Do we still not have something viable?

You're thinking of this, I think: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FireChat

And it was discontinued in 2018 and not open source.

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