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Meshtastic: An open source, off-grid, decentralized, mesh network

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Re: Meshtastic: An open source, off-grid, decentralized, mesh network

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Isn't there an open source Android mesh network? Based on Wifi or Bluetooth? I thought I heard about mesh networks being used in protests years ago...? Do we still not have something viable?

I've heard of Briar and Bridgeify and Serval and Meshenger, what others are there?

Re: Meshtastic: An open source, off-grid, decentralized, mesh network

#12

Isn't there an open source Android mesh network? Based on Wifi or Bluetooth? I thought I heard about mesh networks being used in protests years ago...? Do we still not have something viable?

i remember something that was deployed in puerto rico after the hurricane in 2017.. a quick search later: https://techcrunch.com/2017/11/14/a-mesh-network-spontaneous...

Re: Meshtastic: An open source, off-grid, decentralized, mesh network

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post #7

Is it feasible to create a mesh network using Bluetooth on participating smart phones? In crowded places like college campuses, we could run campus IM on it for instance

I think any wireless mesh like this runs into issues with scaling because you cannot efficiently route messages between a bunch of moving nodes as the network topology is always changing. You have to use a flood network, which is also what Meshtastic does [0]. Flood networking wastes bandwidth with every node repeating itself, and it gets even worse with wireless that's a shared spectrum.

All these mesh networks have a max hop limit, to prevent messages from bouncing around the network repeatably, but also not guaranteeing messages reach their destination. Meshtastic defaults to 3. Gotenna I believe is also Lora and is also 3. Bridgefy is bluetooth and has a 250 max hop limit, but also a 7d TTL, basically not close to real-time.

It could be made better by having statically position nodes that keep track of the nodes it can reach. And then having all these statically positioned nodes communicate with each other on a different wireless spectrum so you don't interfere with regular nodes. Since that topology isn't changing, you can efficiently route message between them. Now that's basically just regular wifi mesh.

[0] https://meshtastic.org/docs/overview/mesh-algo

Re: Meshtastic: An open source, off-grid, decentralized, mesh network

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post #3

Before anyone gets too excited about this - half duplex/TDD-like mesh radio systems with omnidirectional antennas are one of the LEAST efficient possible ways of building a wireless village/town scale IP network. The thing about an omni antenna talking to another omni is that an omnidirectional antenna is also a 360 degree noise gatherer, and gathers traffic/timeslot occuyping stuff that might be coming from other, s…

This is why stuff like smart antennas and beamforming were invented. But for a system like LoRA that has a very low thoughput (AKA slow in the time domain), it's not an easy concept to apply in mobility.

Re: Meshtastic: An open source, off-grid, decentralized, mesh network

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post #3

Before anyone gets too excited about this - half duplex/TDD-like mesh radio systems with omnidirectional antennas are one of the LEAST efficient possible ways of building a wireless village/town scale IP network. The thing about an omni antenna talking to another omni is that an omnidirectional antenna is also a 360 degree noise gatherer, and gathers traffic/timeslot occuyping stuff that might be coming from other, s…

That's a whole lot of commenting from someone who clearly doesn't know what meshtastic is.

It's text messaging with channels, some provisions for nodes transmitting sensor data, and some location data.

It's not intended to provide TCP/IP networking.

Re: Meshtastic: An open source, off-grid, decentralized, mesh network

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post #3

Before anyone gets too excited about this - half duplex/TDD-like mesh radio systems with omnidirectional antennas are one of the LEAST efficient possible ways of building a wireless village/town scale IP network. The thing about an omni antenna talking to another omni is that an omnidirectional antenna is also a 360 degree noise gatherer, and gathers traffic/timeslot occuyping stuff that might be coming from other, s…

That's a whole lot of commenting from someone who clearly doesn't know what meshtastic is. It's text messaging with channels, some provisions for nodes transmitting sensor data, and some location data. It's not intended to provide TCP/IP networking.

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Re: Meshtastic: An open source, off-grid, decentralized, mesh network

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post #17

Has anyone deployed and used a system like this here? If so, what was its purpose and why this technology over others?

Preppers use it as a backup communication channel.

The scenarios are:

  1. Your country is invaded, and you are building a resistance.
  2. Your government becomes a dictatorship. You want to fight back.
  3. Natural disasters: the grid and mobile network are down. You want to organize and work together to help each other.
Meshtastic nicely blends into the existing IoT LoRa traffic. And give you some sort of invisibility.

Other scenarios are similar to ham radio - asking other dudes about the weather.

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