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Widespread FBI abuse of foreign spy law sets off "alarm bells," tech group says

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Re: Widespread FBI abuse of foreign spy law sets off "alarm bells," tech group says

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Article is from May; section 702 was just renewed 3 days ago: https://www.theverge.com/2023/12/16/24004356/section-207-rea...

702 was briefly extended, not renewed. It's not clear yet what renewal will look like, there are several proposals going through the legislative process.

Nonsense, this was a prolongation.

Re: Widespread FBI abuse of foreign spy law sets off "alarm bells," tech group says

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I can’t believe the reveal that FBI used section 702 to target January 6 participants wasn’t enough to get at least one faction in the House to vote against reauthorizing the bill last week. (I will play any card I can if it gets warrantless spying stopped.) I guess Big Brother trumps petty partisanship concerns. NYT had an article a few months ago (I submitted it here) attacking Republicans for turning against the F…

No republican will ever go against the spooks except if they are personally targeted by them (Trump). Even then, Trump wants a fanatically loyal group of spooks to act as his secret police. He's only temporarily against them. Your only options to vote for if you dislike mass surveillance are hard left progressives (Bernie Sanders, Ron Wyden) or libertarians (though the ones who run with the republicans are unreliable…

Or vote for RFK junior, who wants to disband the spy agencies because he believes (rightly or wrongly) that they assassinated his father and uncle.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No republican will ever go against the spooks except if they are personally targeted by them (Trump). Even then, Trump wants a fanatically loyal group of spooks to act as his secret police. He's only temporarily against them. Your only options to vote for if you dislike mass surveillance are hard left progressives (Bernie Sanders, Ron Wyden) or libertarians (though the ones who run with the republicans are unreliable…

FBI is currently involved in the government effort trying to jail him for hundreds of years. Trump's lawyers can't even get an answer as to which government agencies are involved in his prosecution, so you know, so that they could subpoena to get evidence in his defence. It's not looking like these agencies will let Trump be president again, one way or another. Trump threatened to pull out of Nato, and pissed off a l…

Good. Trump deserves it for what he's done.

If your implication is that Trump is somehow truly against the spooks, just remember how eager he was to deploy federal marshals to cities like Portland and Seattle to round up protestors. Look to his past comments about the spooks. Before he was on their shit-list, he would make comments like this: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-insists-...

Re: Widespread FBI abuse of foreign spy law sets off "alarm bells," tech group says

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

702 was briefly extended, not renewed. It's not clear yet what renewal will look like, there are several proposals going through the legislative process.

This is semantic quibbling. An intervention was made to prevent expiration from occurring.

It isn't. They just ran out of time since their deadline was Dec 31st. We still don't know what what 702 renewal will look like since it's still being debated.

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No republican will ever go against the spooks except if they are personally targeted by them (Trump). Even then, Trump wants a fanatically loyal group of spooks to act as his secret police. He's only temporarily against them. Your only options to vote for if you dislike mass surveillance are hard left progressives (Bernie Sanders, Ron Wyden) or libertarians (though the ones who run with the republicans are unreliable…

FBI is currently involved in the government effort trying to jail him for hundreds of years. Trump's lawyers can't even get an answer as to which government agencies are involved in his prosecution, so you know, so that they could subpoena to get evidence in his defence. It's not looking like these agencies will let Trump be president again, one way or another. Trump threatened to pull out of Nato, and pissed off a l…

Where did you hear this? Is discovery in his case different from discovery in any other legal case (prosecution is required to share all information they are preparing their case with, so that the defense can prepare a defense.

Or did he/one of his loyalists just /say/ that? I'm genuinely curious because I thought all legal defenses were allowed to read the discovery.

Re: Widespread FBI abuse of foreign spy law sets off "alarm bells," tech group says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

FBI is currently involved in the government effort trying to jail him for hundreds of years. Trump's lawyers can't even get an answer as to which government agencies are involved in his prosecution, so you know, so that they could subpoena to get evidence in his defence. It's not looking like these agencies will let Trump be president again, one way or another. Trump threatened to pull out of Nato, and pissed off a l…

Where did you hear this? Is discovery in his case different from discovery in any other legal case (prosecution is required to share all information they are preparing their case with, so that the defense can prepare a defense. Or did he/one of his loyalists just /say/ that? I'm genuinely curious because I thought all legal defenses were allowed to read the discovery.

There's a guy on youtube called Robert Gouveia that is covering the trials in detail. Not sure if this was the video, or another one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzF6xyuvtOg

Re: Widespread FBI abuse of foreign spy law sets off "alarm bells," tech group says

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The principles of the enlightenment underneath western civilization are… Higher power / natural law v Irrevocable natural rights of individuals v Revocable rights given to the state for the common good … We can revoke the government’s mandate to rule us at any time. I understand people may have forgotten, or don’t know or have the background to understand, or maybe even don’t care. But that doesn’t change anything ab…

A considerable catch is when revocation happens, what takes its place? Authoritarianism is looming in the US and elsewhere; I worry about the efforts to "burn down the corruption" being replanted with a new authoritarian replacement.

Roving Bandits

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> Perhaps most alarming, one FBI employee had to be immediately retrained after admitting that he seemingly hid many incidents of abuse by always recording queries as not involving US persons, even if "the facts indicated otherwise." Get your gpg infrastructure in place, comrades. Find those old motherboards and dubious laptops and airgap them. The final line will come down to whether or not we can do math of our own…

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