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Attached: The New Science of Adult Attachment by Levine and Heller [0] - this was really useful for understanding relationships and how I and others respond to relationships, love, work, etc. was rather eye opening to me.

Boundaries by Henry Cloud [1] - this seems like a basic concept and I thought I knew about this but this book helped. I expect there are others so reading one or two good ones will probably do, but this is the one I read.

Man’s Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl [2] - this is not about sex or relationships but about the meaning of life and why. It helped me think about how others view life and while initially I thought this was about professional and spiritual and intellectual purpose, I realized it’s also about finding and connecting with others and that helped me think about interacting with people on a romantic level rather than just with large groups or organizations. It’s a great book overall and probably fits into any person’s mind who is trying to figure out who they are and where they are in the world and where they want to be.

I’m middle aged and ended a decades long relationship a few years ago, so these books are helpful in updating and improving a worldview for sex and relationships.

[0] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/9547888

[1] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/944267

[2] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4069

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You're just gonna get 1001 self-serving suggestions on why monogamy is le bad. (Professional sex-haver tip: sexuality is like nutrition - consistency and moderation is 90% of being physically and mentally fit.)

Why do you think that?

I'm in a polygamist relationship, have been for just over five years. No one in the community I know thinks monogamy is bad, I don't think monogamy is bad. Neither monogamy nor polygamy is bad.

It's a personal preference that only matters to the ones making the decisions. As long as you are making the decision, there is no wrong answer

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The Rational Male - Rollo Tomassi. I know it likely going to be a hated example, but nonetheless I strongly suggest to read it if you are confused or unsure about certain aspects of relationships.

I had this book recommended to me so many times, I read it and really disagreed with it on so many levels [0].

Generally I don’t like how the author acts like everything is rooted in science and everyone is forced to act out their biology.

And I don’t like its oppositional nature of men vs women in a zero sum game to get what? Married? Laid?

It’s not a useless book, especially if you want to be an alpha and pick up girls.

But I think I’m looking for a bit more than that and feel there are genuine connections based on interest and purpose and aligned goals. And the other people interested in that would detect and not be interested in the “tactics” called out here.

The book mentions hypergamy many, many times and this is based on the biological inferiority of women to men and for women to seek out men more attractive than them. I think there are now many women with equal or even superior careers and ambitions and passions who aren’t seeking a “superior” mate. The book spends some time calling out how people like me are wrong, etc. but the evidence presented is a bunch of anecdotes.

And every anecdote told just made me think all parties are skeezy and not attractive to me. In that I don’t want to pick up waitresses and randos, etc.

So this may be a situation of the book and technique just isn’t for me. But I wanted to share this because it really is recommended so much to me and it perplexed me how bad the book seemed to me.

[0] https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/4273072082

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post #23

- The 5 Love Languages - Gary Chapman, had a big impact on my relationships - Tantra Sex - Kerry & Diane Riley, control & enjoy sexuality on an other level - Intimacy & Desire: Awaken the Passion in Your Relationship - David Schnarch

I recently read Chapman’s book and it was really helpful in getting across a simple idea that I wished I had known many years ago.

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post #32

You're just gonna get 1001 self-serving suggestions on why monogamy is le bad. (Professional sex-haver tip: sexuality is like nutrition - consistency and moderation is 90% of being physically and mentally fit.)

Why do you think that? I'm in a polygamist relationship, have been for just over five years. No one in the community I know thinks monogamy is bad, I don't think monogamy is bad. Neither monogamy nor polygamy is bad. It's a personal preference that only matters to the ones making the decisions. As long as you are making the decision, there is no wrong answer

Same here. It's far more often my poly social group tells friends not to enter polyamory. It's right for some people, but not for most people. All the poly people I know have the utmost respect for people who declare themselves monogamous and adhere to it through their behavior. Long monogamous marriages are glorified and celebrated, at least by the people in my poly community.

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Polysecure: Attachment, Trauma and Consensual Nonmonogamy by Jessica Fern.

Can agree this one is fantastic, and you don’t need to be polyamorous or in a poly relationship to get something out of it. I would recommend it for anyone who wants to be more secure in non-amorous relationships as well, as the stuff in here could easily be applied to those situations.

You could probably find other books on attachment theory, but the application of those ideas in a book that is based on the individual and how to navigate your own attachment issues in the midst of multiple relationships is great.

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Mating in captivity by Esther Perel. It touches on how comfort and safety in a relationship can pose a challenge on sexual desire and excitement as an increase in one can decrease the other. It provides realizations and examples that make you think and see your relationship in a different way. It also touches on how societal norms and views can conflict with sexual desires and limit us in expressing ourselves

Esther Perel is amazing, but alas this book didn't solve the problems I hoped it would

Cannot speak for your situation, but I did find the book not so actionable. Was hoping for more tools or guidance

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post #33

The Rational Male - Rollo Tomassi. I know it likely going to be a hated example, but nonetheless I strongly suggest to read it if you are confused or unsure about certain aspects of relationships.

I had this book recommended to me so many times, I read it and really disagreed with it on so many levels [0]. Generally I don’t like how the author acts like everything is rooted in science and everyone is forced to act out their biology. And I don’t like its oppositional nature of men vs women in a zero sum game to get what? Married? Laid? It’s not a useless book, especially if you want to be an alpha and pick up g…

> Generally I don’t like how the author acts like everything is rooted in science and everyone is forced to act out their biology.

The naturalistic fallacy is a pretty easy one to commit, and it seems to be running especially rampant in the genre of "scientific"/"rational" dating/relationship advice.

Don't get me wrong, I believe that evolutionary biology has tons of interesting discoveries that can help humanity understand itself better, and I find it extremely interesting myself.

But the fallacy happens when looking at what there is, in terms of the biological/genetic basis (and frankly, the evidence and science is often not nearly as clear as these books present it), and taking that as a guideline or even commandments as for what there ought to be.

Harari has a nice way of putting this idea in "Sapiens": If there is a defining nature to Homo sapiens, it is that we have a quite strong and persistent capability of not being bound to our biology's defining nature (hope I'm paraphrasing somewhat accurately here).

Of course biology (as the hardware that's running our software) has an incredibly strong influence on our experience, and denying that has caused a lot of needless suffering (and still does), but just explaining away the significant impact of culture and our minds on our biological reality seems overly reductionist.

Or to go with a computational analogy: Our minds are turing-complete, so they can run any software there can possibly exist – some paths do have extremely good hardware acceleration, but efficiency isn't everything in (human) life :)

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