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Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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That's not even the worse part. The refusal to make a change that costs you nothing in order to stick it to people you don't like is much worse and indicates all sorts of behaviors you do not want on your team.

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Most companies would opt to settle this type of thing, it's interesting that Tesla has chosen to not do that. Seems very Muskian.

It's especially curious in light of their early complaint in a separate but related action by CA in which they complained they weren't given the opportunity to settle. They said those charges were politically motivated, I would assume they'll make the same case here.

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That's not even the worse part. The refusal to make a change that costs you nothing in order to stick it to people you don't like is much worse and indicates all sorts of behaviors you do not want on your team.

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It really feels like the US has been regressing in recent years when it comes to racism. A lot of the hard-won progress is seemingly dissipating.

It think it comes in waves.

There's a phase of progress and real social changes, laws get passed to correct past issues, the media warms up a lot towards minorities etc. Then comes the reaction, as too much visible change happens, opposing groups organize and try to re-anchor their position, will push as hard a possible to undo some of the progress and carve out areas where they'll be able to protect their values.

I don't think that back and forth can be stopped. Fundamentally change, even regarding racism, will provoke reactions. The best we can do is ratchet as much progress as we can if we want things to move in the right direction.

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That's not even the worse part. The refusal to make a change that costs you nothing in order to stick it to people you don't like is much worse and indicates all sorts of behaviors you do not want on your team.

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That's not even the worse part. The refusal to make a change that costs you nothing in order to stick it to people you don't like is much worse and indicates all sorts of behaviors you do not want on your team.

It does cost something, quite a lot actually, my company (correctly) refused to bow to the pressure to migrate because it would have been too expensive to update our tooling.

And acquiescing meekly to absurd demands is a much worse behavior for a team.

Even worse behavior in a teammate would be trying to browbeat their coworkers into wasting energy on performative nonsense to score social status points.

In a just world anyone who suggested this would be fired immediately.

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I suppose it follows the pattern of nationality names, and more general ethnic or geographical groups, like "Japanese", or "American", or "African"'. Please note that not all Africans have black skin (look at Egypt or Libya), and not all people with black skin are Africans (see India, Micronesia, Philippines, etc). So, to my mind, "Black" with a capital B is not people with black skin. They are by far not all black-s…

Does it count if you're ancestor of one of the black slave owners? E.g. this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Ellison? just curious.

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I suppose it follows the pattern of nationality names, and more general ethnic or geographical groups, like "Japanese", or "American", or "African"'. Please note that not all Africans have black skin (look at Egypt or Libya), and not all people with black skin are Africans (see India, Micronesia, Philippines, etc). So, to my mind, "Black" with a capital B is not people with black skin. They are by far not all black-s…

The criticism is that putting people in buckets based on their DNA and ancestry is what racists do and not something that we should encourage and normalize in 2023. We should minimize the importance of ethnicity and race, not emphasize it. As a staunch individualist and someone who fervently opposes racism, it's disheartening to observe the USA trending in such a direction.

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The «master» to «main» change was totally unnecessary and B.S. imho.

Even 15 years ago, when I started my professional journey (in Germany) there were a lot of people who were gay, trans and so on in the dev community … and nobody cared about it. We were all passioned about technologies and respected each other based on commitment/engagement/skill level. At the end most of the true full blood developers were always «special» and knew since their childhood that they were different from other children. I think that’s the reason why the embarrassment level was pretty low and people just wore the stuff they wanted, behaved like they wanted eg.

But of course that’s only my personal experience. I’m sure there are a lot of other stories out there to share.

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